Posted on 10/29/2018 9:10:42 PM PDT by Salvavida
My Honduran-born wife uses Facebook to keep in touch with her family in Honduras. Many posts are her thoughts on the topic of the day, and immigration and politics are certainly represented in what she posts. A little about my wife, she served as an interviewer inside of a US Consulate in Latin America, and is thoroughly familiar with immigration law, the process, and the plight of those wishing to visit or immigrate to the US. She is 100% against illegal immigration. Why? Among other things, she also served as a finance officer of a hospital in Northern Virginia, and saw it change hands as a result of immigrants using the Emergency Room as their primary care, and the draining of the charitable foundations that are typically put aside for Americans that cannot pay. My wife gets it. She knows where blessing comes from: American hearts and their taxes.
Naturally, her family responds to the posts and I thought it might be informative to the readership to know the mind of an average middle class family from Honduras. Note that in the past 20 years, my wife and I paid for medical school, law school, and refrigeration vocational-tech school.
A. Here is a summation of the responses from various family members, I distilled them into these main ideas:
- 1. Her family is upset that she is not "in solidarity" with them, and my wife "forgot where she came from."
- 2. They assert the migrants just want to work and to flee the gang violence.
- 3. Hondurans cannot change their government-- it's too corrupt, so the US is their only hope..
- 4. They generally had no concept of how Americans thought about this-- they are thinking it's POTUS and a minority. (Comment- This is courtesy of the leftist press there as well.)
- 5. From their point of view, everyone knows friends or family members here, and know they live a life substantially better than they will ever have. So what has changed to cause a border confrontation?
(Hint: DJT's politics)
B. Here are implications that were not considered from their arguments:
- 1. Law breaking. The end justifies the mean, situational ethics.
- 2. No understanding of the concept of taxes (most Central Americans are not taxed- a Value Added Tax (VAT) is added onto most sales, nor the financial burden Americans have (welfare, medical, children's schools, etc) shouldered.
- 3. No respect for what Americans have built, and what was sacrificed. They want to partake because being poor sucks.
C. How are illegals able to stay (everyone knows this from the immigrant side, it's the Americans that need education):
There are no consequences.
No government form of ID is required to get housing.
No one comes after an over-stayed visa.
Access to school is free.
Saturation of pro-immigrant lawyers in the US.
D. Conclusion: The time has come to where migrants want your stuff, and there is nothing detering them. They have abandoned being citizens of their own countries. They are incapable of governing themselves, and being governed. They certainly do not think like Americans nor anything in which we value. Their system doesn't produce responsible, moral citizens. It produces a people that wants stuff. And they want it now.
“the prosperity Gospel that Pentecostalism offers.”
True “Pentecostalism” does not preach nor follow a prosperity gospel.
Christians filled with the Holy Ghost follow the teachings of Jesus Christ: You cannot serve both God and mammon (money, material wealth).
The Apostle Paul continued the Lord’s teaching by warning the love of money is a root of evil. Paul also said those who would be rich fall in to many snares and temptations which drown the soul in perdition (I Timothy 6:9).
Just wanted you to know the REAL GOSPEL of Jesus Christ does not preach getting rich or being prosperous with worldly riches. The Apostle Paul acknowledged there were some wealthy people who had become Christians and admonished them to be rich in good works.
There may be some false preachers in Honduras telling people otherwise. But the true, dedicated Holy Ghost filled Christians will follow what the Lord Jesus Christ said and also the doctrines of the Apostles as clearly written in the New Testament. As Christians we are not to strive to be wealthy or rich. This is a clear teaching from the Apostle Paul. Doesn’t mean we are to be in poverty and never able to pay our bills—Paul makes it clear we are to work. God will supply our needs. But never is it taught in the entire New Testament that we are to pursue vast wealth and seek to become rich.
The same occurs all over the world. CNN is pure poison for our nation around the world. And the foreign reporters follow the American Fake News lead.
We must crush CNN!
Man, please. Salvavida is pointing out what is going on, he doesn’t approve of it. I have family members from Latin America who have done stupid things and I sure don’t approve. Don’t kill the messenger. We’re trying (I know I’ve been trying since I signed up here) to tell other Americans what is going on and almost no one will listen. WE are not the enemy, the radicals among that population ARE the enemy. Your real enemies are people like Jorge Ramos, George Lopez and ex-president Vincente Fox.
No truer words have ever been spoken.
I cc'd the admin because you are a known quantity. You bring nothing to the table as far as content, and all you do is harangue people.
Sucks to be you.
Sorry friend, I left two Pentecostal churches in Latin America because of the prosperity gospel. I wasn’t shooting from the hip. I know from experience.
That’s a cool picture. We never had armor for our intel hootches in the field. HMMWVs. And yes, I’ll work on the atta boys, although it feels like the ditch just keeps getting deeper. :-)
All I’m saying is the TRUE GOSPEL does not preach getting rich. It’s sad some churches have resorted to that... including ones you were associated with along with many churches in the U.S.
But though a thousand churches are preaching a false message, it doesn’t change the true teachings of the Bible. That was the point I was making. The real “Pentecostal” message is according to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Sorry if my post was not clear enough.
I'm a "known quantity"? That's not even really good English and your specious post, couldn't be more wrong! I post facts; it's what I have done and continue to do. You may not like what I post, but that doesn't mean that what I add to this site is worthless/wrong/unwanted by many.
Nor do I "harangue" people; especially not in the way you infer!
It is far wiser to not air certain things, in public, as you did, without thinking it all through...even IF you had thought it through, about someone/s or things in your own real life. But you did and then never expected someone/s to have an adverse reaction to it. How sad and how VERY foolish. Hopefully, now, you have learned a good lesson.
Got it, sorry Cedar.
No problem, Salvavida. And I did want to say how informative your original post is. Gives an understanding of the mind-set and intentions of the invading force heading for the U.S. border. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks so much for the ping!
Thanks for posting this!
Worked in tents, Huts on pick ups, jeeps with TLQ-17A, M-577 command APCs, guardrail vans, field stations. fun fun fun.
Spanish culture/legal system/colonial policies are largely to blame for South/Central American dysfunction and need to be called out and made accountable. Portugal to a lesser degree...
Thank you for the post.
Many years ago I went as a young man to Costa Rica and spent most of our time on the Caribbean coast. (Muy Hermosa, in fact we went to Hermosa beach at a time when it was completely deserted.
The country was very inviting and except for other obligations in the states, I would probably enjoy retirement there somewhere.
That is hard for Marines to comprehend, we don’t have the numbers or the log train for an Intel BN....which doesn’t in itself normally deploy....it produces intel detachments. HMMWV is our standard vehicle.
I’ve thought of some alternatives.
1) Allow them in, but do not allow them to become American citizens without going through standard immigration laws/regs already established.
2) Register them as citizens of their country of origin and track all benefits they might glean while in the US.
3) Mandate they are trained as a native army in training and they must return to take control of their homeland when prepared. Rejection of this stipulation would subject them as spies and to be tried by military tribunal, with capital punishment to be executed immediately.
4) Upon return and their seizure of their government of origin, they would be required to repay all debts from their stay and military training/support.
5) As a consequence of 3) those who leave as migrants without formal immigration status, would also naturally give their homeland incentive to prevent their illegal migration to the US, as they would then become adversarial foes to their homeland.
Vote with their Feet, not as Revolutionaries or Spies.
So, at the end of the day, the globalist and people like Soros, Carlos Slim, etc are actively shaping opinions of these folks, much like they try to do when we all travel thru America’s air travel system. Constantly bombarded with the clowns at CNN. Almost as it we were a captive audience being forced into education camps.
I do have a very, very minute blip of sympathy for those folks. We have corruption at our highest levels of government, here in the US. But, I’m betting, given your former occupation, that you know that corruption in Cen/S America, Africa, Middle East, etc is on a level that most American’s couldn’t fathom.
So, they’re screwed. However, that doesn’t give any of them license to invade our country and milk the US taxpayer for generations.
One thing we have confirmed is that the MSM lies, lies, and oh, and lies to push the NWO agenda.
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