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Self Defense in Texas: 22LR Single Shot Beats AR15 & .40 Cal
Ammoland ^ | 26 October, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/29/2018 6:20:25 AM PDT by marktwain

The gunfight happened in the early morning hours of 17 August 2018. The location was 867 Bootlegger Lane in Yoakum, Texas.  Yoakum is a small town in Texas, about halfway between San Antonio and Houston.

There was “bad blood” between Dakota Wayne Kirkman, 19, and Manuel Martinez III, 36.  The men lived about 22 miles apart. Yoakum is in DeWitt County, Texas. Kirkman and his girlfriend lived in Hallettsville in Lavaca County, Texas.

Dakota did not want his live-in girlfriend to hang around Martinez and his wife. His girlfriend, Martinez, and Martinez' wife were at Martinez' house when Kirkman came to bring his girlfriend home.  Kirkman arrived in his truck. He had a singleshot .22 rifle and one cartridge, loaded in the chamber.

Kirkman and Martinez got into a verbal altercation. The Sheriff reported that alcohol was involved.

The altercation escalated into a gunfight. Cartridge cases found at the scene indicated that Martinez fired 15 shots from an AR15 type rifle and 12 shots from a .40 caliber pistol.

Most of the action seems to have happened while Kirkman was in or around his truck. 13 bullet holes were found in the truck. 11 of the bullet holes were from  .223 cartridges. Two of the bullet holes were from a .40 caliber pistol.

Kirkman is recorded as firing one shot from his single shot .22 caliber rifle. The shot struck Martinez in the chest, killing him.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 22; banglist; localnews; selfdefense; texas; tx; wayne
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Terrible situation. Even a .22 is deadly in a gunfight.
1 posted on 10/29/2018 6:20:25 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Shot placement wins.

I wonder how many shots Martinez fired after being fatally wounded?

We learned the stopping power vs lethality edge in the Philippines.

Gave us the 1911.


2 posted on 10/29/2018 6:25:58 AM PDT by null and void (Don't argue with the keyboard warriors. They know their delusions better than you.)
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To: marktwain

Proof once again that shot placement beats caliber selection.


3 posted on 10/29/2018 6:26:52 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: marktwain
Yet another fine example of the R.A.Heinlein quote; "Be wary of strong drink. It makes you shoot at tax collectors ... and miss!"

While this is not a case of a tax collector, it is a case of (probable) excess testosterone plus strong drink plus an excessive confidence in one's abilities and in one's large calibers. Also a case of youth meeting age and coming out the worse for it!

4 posted on 10/29/2018 6:29:39 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Best gun for a gun fight is the one you have with you at the time.


5 posted on 10/29/2018 6:30:20 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: marktwain

I think I remember Bill Frady saying last week something like:
“Don’t be cautious of the person who practices and trains with multiple guns and calibers. It’s the guy who works with one gun over and over continuously that you don’t want to get on the wrong side of.”

Paraphrasing here, but you get the reference.


6 posted on 10/29/2018 6:34:53 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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alcohol was involved...........................I already assumed so...................


7 posted on 10/29/2018 6:41:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (I lie to pollsters......................ALL Of THEM!...................)
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To: marktwain

This is Amazing.


8 posted on 10/29/2018 6:42:13 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: RandallFlagg
I heard it this way:

Beware the man with one gun.

He probably knows how to use it.

9 posted on 10/29/2018 6:42:19 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Proof once again that shot placement beats caliber selection.”

Yup, and reliability. That’s why I run nothing but ball in my semi’s. The exotics are more malfunction prone, stove pipes, wedged going into battery, etc. you can’t hit the target if your gun won’t fire....


10 posted on 10/29/2018 6:42:50 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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"...Dakota Wayne Kirkman, 19 y.o. and Manuel Martinez III, 36 y.o...."


It is difficult to know who was the “good guy” and who was the “bad guy” in this narrative.

11 posted on 10/29/2018 6:43:02 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: marktwain

Yep. That works, too.


12 posted on 10/29/2018 6:43:05 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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To: SES1066

It was the older guy that died.


13 posted on 10/29/2018 6:43:35 AM PDT by octex
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To: marktwain

The 5 rules of a gunfight:

1) gun beats no gun
2) a hit beats a miss
3) fast beats slow
4) Big holes beat little holes
5) Two holes beat one hole

These are in order and a lower number will often over ride a higher number. This is demonstrated in this incident with #2 beating both #3 and #4.


14 posted on 10/29/2018 6:44:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SES1066

“Also a case of youth meeting age and coming out the worse for it!”

The young guy was the one with the .22.


15 posted on 10/29/2018 6:45:26 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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Dakota Wayne Kirkman was found to be justified by a grand jury after being held in jail for 55 days, for lack of a $500,000 bond.

16 posted on 10/29/2018 6:45:53 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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If only Martinez had a .45 ...


17 posted on 10/29/2018 6:47:36 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: null and void

Kirkland fired only one shot.


18 posted on 10/29/2018 6:49:29 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: marktwain

You know that a BB gun could put out your eye.


19 posted on 10/29/2018 6:51:39 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: SES1066
Also a case of youth meeting age and coming out the worse for it!

If I read the story right, the younger guy (Yokum) prevailed against the older guy (Martinez).

There is also "old and stupid." Ususlly it's not that old, since stupid shortens one life considerably.

20 posted on 10/29/2018 6:52:13 AM PDT by nonsporting (Investigate Ford and her legal team)
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