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Terrible situation. Even a .22 is deadly in a gunfight.
1 posted on 10/29/2018 6:20:25 AM PDT by marktwain
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Shot placement wins.

I wonder how many shots Martinez fired after being fatally wounded?

We learned the stopping power vs lethality edge in the Philippines.

Gave us the 1911.


2 posted on 10/29/2018 6:25:58 AM PDT by null and void (Don't argue with the keyboard warriors. They know their delusions better than you.)
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Proof once again that shot placement beats caliber selection.


3 posted on 10/29/2018 6:26:52 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Yet another fine example of the R.A.Heinlein quote; "Be wary of strong drink. It makes you shoot at tax collectors ... and miss!"

While this is not a case of a tax collector, it is a case of (probable) excess testosterone plus strong drink plus an excessive confidence in one's abilities and in one's large calibers. Also a case of youth meeting age and coming out the worse for it!

4 posted on 10/29/2018 6:29:39 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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I think I remember Bill Frady saying last week something like:
“Don’t be cautious of the person who practices and trains with multiple guns and calibers. It’s the guy who works with one gun over and over continuously that you don’t want to get on the wrong side of.”

Paraphrasing here, but you get the reference.


6 posted on 10/29/2018 6:34:53 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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alcohol was involved...........................I already assumed so...................


7 posted on 10/29/2018 6:41:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (I lie to pollsters......................ALL Of THEM!...................)
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This is Amazing.


8 posted on 10/29/2018 6:42:13 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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"...Dakota Wayne Kirkman, 19 y.o. and Manuel Martinez III, 36 y.o...."


It is difficult to know who was the “good guy” and who was the “bad guy” in this narrative.

11 posted on 10/29/2018 6:43:02 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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The 5 rules of a gunfight:

1) gun beats no gun
2) a hit beats a miss
3) fast beats slow
4) Big holes beat little holes
5) Two holes beat one hole

These are in order and a lower number will often over ride a higher number. This is demonstrated in this incident with #2 beating both #3 and #4.


14 posted on 10/29/2018 6:44:10 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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Dakota Wayne Kirkman was found to be justified by a grand jury after being held in jail for 55 days, for lack of a $500,000 bond.

16 posted on 10/29/2018 6:45:53 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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If only Martinez had a .45 ...


17 posted on 10/29/2018 6:47:36 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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You know that a BB gun could put out your eye.


19 posted on 10/29/2018 6:51:39 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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“alcohol was involved”...……..

A given!


26 posted on 10/29/2018 7:04:13 AM PDT by DaveA37
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If you ever go to Yoakum, Texas, stay off of Bootlegger Lane.

That’s what I always say.


29 posted on 10/29/2018 7:11:15 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is fixing the world's problems just to distract us from Russia.)
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So, size DOESN’T matter.

There’s hope for me...


31 posted on 10/29/2018 7:17:41 AM PDT by moovova
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I bet the deceased ran out of ammo and was shot while trying to reload.


33 posted on 10/29/2018 7:26:47 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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I bet he’s a hunter and uses that 22 for squirrels and such. Never, ever get into a gunfight with someone who learned at the age of 10 how to hit a moving target 100 yards away.


35 posted on 10/29/2018 7:35:39 AM PDT by circlecity
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Sun Country pilot arrested with loaded gun at Florida airport; his Minnesota permit to carry not recognized
Police say his Minn. permit to carry not recognized by Florida.

http://www.startribune.com/sun-country-pilot-caught-with-loaded-gun-at-fla-airport-checkpoint/498832931/


38 posted on 10/29/2018 7:42:17 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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I’ve read a number of articles about this incident (not just the one linked to on Ammoland) and a couple things stand out at me. For one, Kirkland’s (the one shooting the .22) girlfriend is the sister of the deceased’s wife. Second, alcohol was involved (never said who was drinking, just that alcohol was involved) - my guess from grand jury verdict would indicate that it wasn’t Kirkland who was drinking. Third, Kirkland did himself no favors by leaving the scene after the shooting with his live-in girlfriend in tow before cops arrived - I suspect that contributed to the high bond being set, at least compared to if he had stuck around long enough to tell the cops on scene his side of the story.

Lastly - I hope Kirkland (or his g/f) have the common sense to realize that them being a couple isn’t such a good thing.......


42 posted on 10/29/2018 8:13:02 AM PDT by jhastey
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>> “Yoakum, Texas” <<

Isn’t that where Li’l Abner and Daisy Mae live?
.


45 posted on 10/29/2018 8:22:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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One other observation: angry people will often shoot at *things* if they don’t have a clear human target. This wastes ammo and identifies their location.

A calm, rational shooter will only shoot at an identifiable, hostile human target.


51 posted on 10/29/2018 8:37:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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