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Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say
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Posted on 10/23/2018 1:28:56 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say

By Denise Grady

Oct. 22, 2018

Defining gender as a condition determined strictly by a person’s genitals is based on a notion that doctors and scientists abandoned long ago as oversimplified and often medically meaningless.

Researchers who have studied gender issues and provided health care to people who do not fit the typical M/F pigeonholes said that the Trump administration’s latest plan to define gender goes beyond the limits of scientific knowledge.

“The idea that a person’s sex is determined by their anatomy at birth is not true, and we’ve known that it’s not true for decades,” said Dr. Joshua D. Safer, an endocrinologist and executive director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. He is also president of the United States Professional Association of Transgender Health.

But exactly what does determine gender identity — a person’s powerful, core knowledge of who they are — is not so clear.

“We know that there is a significant, durable biological underpinning to gender identity,” Dr. Safer said. “What we don’t know are all of the biological factors at play that explain gender identity. As far as we in the mainstream biological-medical community understand it in 2018, it is hard-wired, it is biological, it is not entirely hormonal, and we do not have identified genes, so we cannot specifically say it is genetic.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fakenews; gender; homoerotica; homosexualagenda; insanity; mentalillness; nastymedia; nyslimesfakenews; obscenity; queerporn; transgender; whiskeytangofoxtrot; xx; xy
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To: Sub-Driver

Really, anatomy doesn’t determine sex, let me know when a natural born woman impregnates another woman ‘naturally’ and when a natural born man is impregnated ‘naturally’ impregnates another man.


161 posted on 10/23/2018 5:21:04 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Sub-Driver

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being....

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1


162 posted on 10/23/2018 5:34:07 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Who pays this nut job?”

He makes his living playing into the fantasies and delusions of his patients.

“Well, yes, you have all the external genitalia of a male. But you want to call yourself a female. That’s OK. Gender is a construct of your deep-seated identification....We can fix it so that your external appearance matches your wishes. For a price. And we can concoct a mendacious redefinition of terms to justify your delusion and our profiting from it. After all, we’re the ‘experts.’”


163 posted on 10/23/2018 5:51:30 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: Sub-Driver

This Safer sounds a lot like Dr. Money at Johns Hopkins 30 years ago.


164 posted on 10/23/2018 5:53:38 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: Sub-Driver
Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say


An 'expert' in what field?

165 posted on 10/23/2018 5:58:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rad_J

You really can’t use logic here.


166 posted on 10/23/2018 5:59:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah no kidding. If I try too hard to make sense of it all then I will need brain surgery...


167 posted on 10/23/2018 6:44:06 PM PDT by Rad_J
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To: Sub-Driver

Physical genitalia are medically meaningless? So a “transgender” male can never have any ailment or disease affecting his still-present female parts. And vice versa. Hmmm. Don’t think I’m buying that.


168 posted on 10/23/2018 8:20:44 PM PDT by csn vinnie
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To: Sub-Driver

demoncrats don’t even think biology determines life itself. That’s why so many of them keep voting after they have died.


169 posted on 10/23/2018 9:39:13 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Sub-Driver

Im waiting for them to claim 2 + 2 is 7 and demand back wages.


170 posted on 10/23/2018 9:43:44 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Republicans - GROW A PAIR)
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To: reaganaut1

I remember gender from French class, where nouns would have a gender. Lots of times, that would mean adding an e to a noun.


171 posted on 10/23/2018 11:15:37 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Sub-Driver

Probably self-identifies as multiple genders...so it has to be true that there are well over a dozen genders....


172 posted on 10/24/2018 2:29:19 AM PDT by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Sub-Driver
Anatomy Does Not Determine Gender, Experts Say

Incorrect. XX and XY determine Gender.

The "author" is parsing "Gender" and "Gender Identity."

Gender is hard-coded - there is no legitimate scientific debate arguing against that.

What these whack-jobs are doing is arguing environmental and other factors determine "gender identity" which is really nothing more than trying to rationalize a mental illness into normalcy.

No serious scientist can legitimately argue that XX and XY don't determine gender. They absolutely do.

173 posted on 10/24/2018 2:52:33 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver
Defining gender as a condition determined strictly by a person’s genitals is based on a notion that doctors and scientists abandoned long ago as oversimplified and often medically meaningless.

Why, it's 'settled science!'

Snort.

174 posted on 10/24/2018 5:29:11 AM PDT by gogeo (The Repubs may not always deserve to win, but the RATs always deserve to lose.)
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To: NetAddicted

I was taught in grade school that, in the English language, gender is a term that applies only to PROnouns and there are three genders, masculine, feminine and neuter. When Linda Ronstadt recorded a song titled, “Poor, poor, pitiful me” which contained the line, “He was a credit to his gender” is when I began to notice a trend to use the term gender rather than sex to refer to male or female, the current madness seemed to proceed from that and it really is madness.


175 posted on 10/24/2018 6:35:29 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Sub-Driver

Words are defined by the masses of people who use them, and dictionaries get updated as language evolves, not based on expert opinions of what a word means, but based on the popular usage of that word by the people that use them, and outside of a handful of leftist enclaves, almost everywhere else gender means the same as sex.

So unless there is some national referendum where people agree to abide by the meanings of all words decided upon by so-called experts, these self-appointed language gestapos need to get kicked to the curb every time they open their mouths.


176 posted on 10/24/2018 8:34:30 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: Sub-Driver

LOL! The comments section was closed to new comments barely two days into the article, so many antagonistic voices of reason which posted there.


177 posted on 10/24/2018 8:57:17 AM PDT by fwdude (Forget the Catechism, the RCC's real doctrine is what they allow with impunity.)
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To: Sub-Driver

how much of our tax money are these bllsht experts blowing on their idiotic gender studies. Getting the flakes of America to deny the sex (male/female) they were born with.


178 posted on 10/24/2018 9:01:14 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: central_va

You my friend have just defined gender! The ability to parallel park....


179 posted on 10/24/2018 12:20:54 PM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: Little Ray

There are two sexes, genders, whatever.
XX and XY.
Female and male.
Everything else is varying types and degrees of mental illness.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Demonrats are worse....


180 posted on 10/24/2018 12:37:18 PM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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