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Trump: 'Robert E. Lee was a great general'
The Hill ^ | 10/12/18 | CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO

Posted on 10/12/2018 7:13:42 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

President Trump praised Confederate Geader Robert E. Lee as "a great general" on Friday during a campaign rally in Lebanon, Ohio.

"So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee," Trump said before launching into a monologue about Lee, Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.

"He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee,'" Trump said.

"And he had all of his generals, they looked great, they were the top of their class at West Point. They were the greatest people. There’s only one problem — they didn’t know how the hell to win. They didn’t know how to fight. They didn’t know how," he continued.

Trump went on to say, multiple times, that Grant had a drinking problem, saying that the former president "knocked the hell out of everyone" as a Union general.

"Man was he a good general. And he’s finally being recognized as a great general," Trump added.

— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 13, 2018 Trump has drawn criticism for his defense of Confederate statues, including those of Robert E. Lee.

He drew widespread condemnation last year following a deadly rally in Charlottesville, Va., saying that white nationalist protesters were there to oppose the removal of a "very, very important" statue.

"They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee,” Trump said at the time. “This week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

Trump, speaking at another rally in Ohio last year, said that he can be one of the “most presidential” presidents to hold office. "…With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that’s ever held this office,” he said to a crowd in Youngstown.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bloggers; civilwar; confederacy; dixie; donaldtrump; robertelee; trump
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To: Pelham

Ewell made a huge mistake

Lee should have been emphatic

Napoleon would not have let that happen


201 posted on 10/13/2018 10:20:02 AM PDT by wardaddy (I donÂ’t care that youÂ’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it wonÂ’t matter what you were)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yes, Grant understood the great advantage of making the enemy react to his moves rather than the reverse. While he is carrying out his plan as intended, letting nothing dissuade him, his opponent must undo their own to react to him. He got two prizes for the effort of taking one: he accomplishes his objective while denying his opponent their own.


202 posted on 10/13/2018 10:22:48 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Wildbill22

Evidently you haven’t been around the yankeefa posse.


203 posted on 10/13/2018 10:25:07 AM PDT by Pelham (California, how mass immigration transforms America into Obamaland)
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To: Pelham

you forgot the second part of Lee’s order to Ewell on the 1st day, “but do not bring about a general engagement”
Ewell asked Rodes and Early if their troops were up to he task. Both said their men were fought out. He sent a message to Johnson telling him to attack the hill if he thought possible. Johnson approached Culp’s hill from the East and was almost captured early in the evening while conducting recon on the hill for attack. He determined that it was to strongly held and did not attack.
Had Jackson had the same orders as Ewell, he would have been limited by Lee’s second part of the order to using a Brigade or so for the attack. Whether that would have been sufficient force to take the is speculation, at best.
Lee did not want a major battle developing late on the afternoon of the first day, hence the proviso “do not bring about a general engagement.”


204 posted on 10/13/2018 10:28:34 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: wardaddy

If Lee believed Culp’s Hill was that valuable, he would have been more specific in directing Ewell and possibly A.P. Hill to capture that objective. He evidently did not see Culp’s Hill as important to his plan of action. He gave Ewell discretionary orders on all three days of the Gettysburg battle to take the hill if he saw an opportunity.
That is a lot different than directing an attack on the hill with the objective of capturing it.


205 posted on 10/13/2018 10:34:21 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: Fiji Hill

You are missing the point.

All war is politics. You are thinking of just the battlefield.

Read some Sun Tzu.

The end is what matters. We are no longer in Saigon. They are.


206 posted on 10/13/2018 10:34:25 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: ontap

Yup... A good general knows their enemy. He and Uncle Ho pushed the right buttons.

I know this is sensitive to many here. I have all the respect in the world for our soldiers who were there. This has very little to do with them.


207 posted on 10/13/2018 10:36:52 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: DoodleDawg
Read Freeman's biography. Lee was ordered back to Washington on February 4th with orders to report to the general in chief no later than April 1st. He was back home by March 1st.

Then the claim that he was in Texas on April 11th is incorrect. That would certainly explain things.

208 posted on 10/13/2018 10:44:18 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

All the Founders were traitors.


209 posted on 10/13/2018 10:52:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
And I’m glad they lost! Look what they were fighting to preserve. An economic system based on the use of slave labor.

They didn't have to fight to preserve that. That was the law in the Union. Staying in the Union would have preserved it.

210 posted on 10/13/2018 10:54:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ontap

As opposed those who fought for men who could buy and sell human beings.


211 posted on 10/13/2018 11:00:10 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: DiogenesLamp

What’s up Lampster, still crazy, ain’t , ain’t ya?


212 posted on 10/13/2018 11:00:57 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: wise_caucasian
The Constitution does not specify whether or under what procedures a state can voluntarily leave the Union.

It had no need to do so. The procedures were outlined in the earlier founding document known as the "Declaration of Independence."

The rule seems to be:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Beyond that, both New York and Virginia had made it clear in their ratification statement regarding the US Constitution that they had a right to reassume the powers they were giving up to the Union. There were no objections to their assertion of this right in their ratification statement.

213 posted on 10/13/2018 11:01:54 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

Lincoln opened fire on them first by sending a war fleet with orders to use it’s entire force to put men and weapons into fort Sumter.


214 posted on 10/13/2018 11:03:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

What were the Northern suckers dying for?


215 posted on 10/13/2018 11:06:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
So he raised his hand against someone else’s home.

They brought their homes into Virginia when they invaded? Why that's just foolish.

216 posted on 10/13/2018 11:09:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
And yet Grant had no problems cutting himself off from supply line and reinforcements in order to out-maneuver Penmberton and force him back into Vickburg.

Wait, what happened to all those ships he had sailing down the Mississippi to ferry him across?

217 posted on 10/13/2018 11:11:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Vermont Lt

We didn’t fight Vietnam as if we wanted to win. McNamara was sending “messages” to Russia and China instead of trying to actually win the war.


218 posted on 10/13/2018 11:15:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Once the ships got Grant’s troops across the Mississippi River, they were used to shell Vicksburg until Grant had Pemberton penned up in Vicksburg. From that point on they were instrumental in keeping Grant’s forces resupplied with ammunition, provisions and fodder. In addition they kept up nearly a 24 hour bombardment of the city of Vicksburg until
the city surrendered.


219 posted on 10/13/2018 11:16:30 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (")
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To: Vermont Lt
The end is what matters. We are no longer in Saigon. They are.

Giap & Co. actually lost the war in 1973. Watergate, not Giap's military genius, is the reason they're in Saigon.

220 posted on 10/13/2018 11:22:24 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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