Posted on 09/23/2018 2:27:17 PM PDT by Ennis85
Four years ago, 14-year-old Lizzie Lowe took her own life because she did not believe she would be accepted as a Christian who was also gay.
Since then her church, St James in Didsbury, Manchester, and its sister church Emmanuel, has formally become an inclusive church - embracing everyone, regardless of gender, race, disability or sexuality.
Lizzie's parents believe embracing inclusion could help save the lives of other teenagers.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
Scripture says otherwise:
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are NOT burdensome.
Scripture says otherwise:
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are NOT burdensome. 1 John 5:3
If you can live sin free - then you can live up to the standard on your on. As for me, I relay on the Grace of Jesus.
That is part of the standard for non-Christians, but not for Christians. Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep my commandments." That is the standard for Christians.
So how did she know she was gay? Was she abused? Or was she convinced because of school brainwashing?
So how did she know she was gay? Was she abused? Or was she convinced because of school brainwashing?
So how did she know she was gay? Was she abused? Or was she convinced because of school brainwashing?
Sorry for multiple posts.
Yeah - even Jesus stayed away from those who weren't already pure because they were too much work to preach the Good News and about God's love for all His children....oh, wait.....
The Bible gives us instructions on how to deal with people claiming to “be a brother/sister” but living in and promoting sin. These are like the Pharisees in the Bible, men claiming to be holy but working wickedness. Those, Jesus did rebuke. Here are 3 quick examples, but there are many verses concerning this subject:
But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Cor. 5:11
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. Titus 3:10-11
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 1 Timothy 5:20
Correct - and his commandments are to Love God and Love man - then be faithful to the completed work of Jesus for your eternal salvation.
Nope. This would be the equivalent of Jesus saying to sodomites, “That’s great, that’s wonderful. Keep doing what you’re doing. I applaud everything you do.” But then, you know that was my point.
I know that without the Blood of Jesus, shed to wash away my own sins, I would not be worthy of Heaven - and that even though I have been saved, i am not without many of my old faults and sinful behavior...many forget the deal where Jesus told the mob that anyone who was also without sin could go ahead and heave that first stone at the one who did something they all considered wrong....I believe it had something to do with sexual immorality.
There is also a place where the Bible tells us to try to help those who stray with firm love and if they opt not to try to do better then go ahead and stop associating with them. I think the key word in it is "love", which is easy to say and hard to do.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” a and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” b 10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Much can be said about Romans...God Bless and thanks for responding to my wry stab with some love of your own.
Seems we get the 'tell them their sinners" part really well but keep forgetting that we are all sinners and even those who have been saved are still faulty mortals with sinful predilections...even Paul, who we know was saved and who had met the risen Jesus couldn't shake that human bit...
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
We all still have our sinful natures and practice some sort of sinful acts - whether we want to admit it or not....that is why I take some of my swats at those who get all foamy-mouthed over the sins of others. There is so much we are powerless over and the quality of those who preach to us, and who reign over them in a religious hierarchy, is one of them once the "establishment" has reached a certain size and entropy.
It's why I left the Catholic Church many years ago and why I finally eschewed the main religions and went non-denominational - preaching straight from the Bible, w/o all the "specialized religious gobbledygook" which varies greatly among the Christian religions. If those at my church seem to be slipping, and the elders/advisors cannot bring it into line,I can find another church.
I know my worthiness for Heaven is everything to do with God and nothing to do with me except that I accept the wonderful gift of His Son, Jesus Christ...no church/priest/or anyone else, can change that..rely on Him instead of earthly things and it will all work out in the end.
Sorry again for the original, or any perceived swats in this diatribe (none were intended), just wanted to explain why i get "acerbic" from time to time when a religious group goes on the warpath.
I’m not acknowledging I’m without sin. We’re all sinners. I’m not telling any church of whatever sect not to accept sinners within them (or they’d be empty). The issue here is far more frightening and disturbing than anything else: the acceptance and worship of sin and sinful behavior and the telling of parishioners of the same.
A Christian church that adheres to “the word” would tell their parishioners to repent and go forth and sin no more, just as Jesus told us to do. But we have something far more evil and sinister: lying to the parishioners that not only is the sinful behavior OK, but is something to be championed/worshipped, held up as even holy. Radical activists have gone sect by sect using every imaginable tactic to push this Satanic agenda. I went to a United Methodist Church and then Episcopal growing up, and both have now fully embraced this deviant agenda.
I have been equally alarmed watching the “Mother” sect, Catholicism, be thoroughly captured by Sodomites who infest the church like a malignant cancer, and prey upon not only the young innocents, but also parishioners, young clerics and even each other. It’s been turned into a sex predator cult.
My central point for participating in this particular thread was to condemn this particular church for falling to the trendy world by deciding to honor the legacy of this misguided young soul her took her own life was to stop condemning this sin and tell others like her from now on that it’s fine and dandy to be sinful and live a sinful lifestyle. This is outright lying to parishioners and leading them down the primrose path of “tolerance” straight to hell. This isn’t Christian, it’s evil. It must be condemned and it must be stopped.
There are still a lot of churches preaching the Word as the Bible tells it and who can manage to balance between tending to those who engage in a lot of not-good-to-do sinful acts w/o elevating the most glaring sinners.
God Bless
I’m not a member of a specific sect, either, though it doesn’t lessen my concern for them - especially when they misrepresent themselves as legitimately Christian.
It’s disturbing the level of misguidedness within the sects, ranging from both mild to blasphemous. The I’m OK, you’re OK does no one any favors. Some emphasize good works almost exclusively. That’s not Christian, either. Conversely, you have those fake farces like the Phelps cult (which I frankly believe is in cahoots with the radical gay lobby as a false flag operation).
First off, it’s about saving souls and steering folks as best as possible away from sin. Both require the proverbial eternal vigilance. Any church that accepts sin (doesn’t even have to be of the sodomite sort), is anti-Christian. It’s that simple. The Episcopalians are the most egregious in being militantly pro-Sodomite. They fly their rainbow fag flag high, virtue-signaling to their leftist comrades, which is about as big a middle finger to God as you can get.
I feel sorry for the African Anglicans who are still ostensibly attached to the pro-Sodomite wing. They don’t cotton to that blasphemy, and are literally endangered because some in Africa make the false presumption that they do.
As a Christian, it sickens me all these folks being misled, some willfully, others naively. For the former, there’s little that can be done. They won’t “get it” until Judgment Day. For the latter, you just want to grab ‘em and shake ‘em to wake ‘em up and enlighten them that they’re being lied to. I approach it the same way with politics today, especially now that the Democrats have firmly established themselves as the anti-God/anti-Christ/pro-Satan party.
Used to be, up until maybe 50+ years ago, you could keep all that separate. Unfortunately, you can’t anymore, as all this leftist/Satanic stuff has just permeated into everything. Used to say you shouldn’t talk politics or religion in mixed company (to avoid any unpleasantness). Now you can’t talk sports (kneeling) or weather (global warming), because those two have also fallen to this Satanic element. Spiritual warfare across the board.
Well, stay strong and God bless you and yours.
Don’t queers go to hell?
I agree with all you said..thanks and god Bless
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