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Victor Davis Hanson: Are we on the verge of civil war?
washingtontimes.com ^ | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/20/2018 4:00:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth-century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes.

Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism, or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: Not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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To: tired&retired
Which side produces the food?

Giant agriculture conglomerates produce our food. It's harvested by machines and imported labor.

101 posted on 09/20/2018 5:28:10 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

“Giant agriculture conglomerates produce our food. It’s harvested by machines and imported labor.”

Wrong.. They might control the distribution system, but not the production.

They try to control the seed, but do not grow the crop.

Farmers are always the backbone of a country, especially during a recovery.


102 posted on 09/20/2018 5:32:32 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: This I Wonder32460

Don’t get me wrong. If folks want to peacefully protests in the streets, fine by me.

I just don’t think that works anymore.

The more I think about, though, I think a monetary protest just might, on a large enough scale to send a message. Consumer spending drives our economy, what if enough folks agreed to stop spending for a certain period of time...?

And even if it didn’t scare the cr@p outta federal uniparty pols, it might on the local, county, and state levels.


103 posted on 09/20/2018 5:32:48 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: VanDeKoik

Bingo. The side which wins, is the side which is actually willing to fight.


104 posted on 09/20/2018 5:34:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: alloysteel

Well, it is how we handle Indian Reservations. You might be on to something.


105 posted on 09/20/2018 5:34:46 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: VanDeKoik

or cut their cable tv


106 posted on 09/20/2018 5:36:23 AM PDT by joshua c
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To: tired&retired

If a river bridge were knocked out on I-80 and I-81 in Pennsylvania thus blocking trucks from hauling into NYC and New England states, the result would be chaos in days.


107 posted on 09/20/2018 5:36:40 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired

And knock out the Walmart rail system in Flagstaff.


108 posted on 09/20/2018 5:37:49 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: billorites

Depends - in Chicago, their side seems to be using the guns....funny how their side is always screaming about gun violence while ignoring that it is their side committing 98% of it.


109 posted on 09/20/2018 5:39:45 AM PDT by trebb (So many "experts" with so little experience in what they preach....even here...)
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To: tired&retired

I work with 600+ horse & buggy Amish farms. It is interesting to observe sustainability in action.


110 posted on 09/20/2018 5:39:59 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: joshua c

Or their bundlings..tv, phone and internet.

Power grid (which we mostly control) would take care of that.


111 posted on 09/20/2018 5:40:17 AM PDT by Leep
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for the ping.

I pray we don’t have a CWII. Because if we do it will make CWI look like a walk in the park on a sunny spring day.

5.56mm


112 posted on 09/20/2018 5:42:07 AM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: eartick

“Yes and not soon enough. The garden that we call America needs weeding.”

The tree of liberty needs watering too.


113 posted on 09/20/2018 5:42:47 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: RoosterRedux

Our core enemies are the government people that O’Keefe recently interviewed. The bureaucrats and administrative state are unaccountable.

A CW2 is the only way that they will fully pay for their crimes and abuses.


114 posted on 09/20/2018 5:44:15 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Abolish administrative law. It's regressive, medieval and unconstitutional!)
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To: qaz123
"Whose side has the guns?"

No, the fundamental question is: "Who controls the military?"

Controlling the military includes the ranks and the high command. The cabal for which Obama is the figurehead understands this and, when Obama was President, did everything it could to pack the ranks and replace the high command with people who are "useful" and "loyal." This is a major reason for their packing the ranks with women and homosexuals.

The members of the cabal might be evil, but they are smart.

115 posted on 09/20/2018 5:44:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Trump Revolution is LA RÉSISTANCE!We are LA RÉSISTANCE!Vive LA RÉSISTANCE! We shall overcome!)
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To: NorthMountain

Guns will likely be helpful leading up to, and after, a war, but if we get to real war, who controls the military and the nukes will be more relavent. It won’t look anything like 1860.


116 posted on 09/20/2018 5:45:00 AM PDT by MrKatykelly (Hello)
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To: Drew68

“Whose side has no problem with breaking things and hurting people to get their demands met?”

That’s the salient question right there.

L


117 posted on 09/20/2018 5:48:51 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: RoosterRedux
during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

I don't agree with that at all. To make it form scratch at a young age is harder now than ever. Just to live an average lifestyle you have to go into debt and get an engineering/software/IT/tech degree and work 60 hours per week. Even then you have to compete with H-1B visa scabs.

It's brutal out there.

118 posted on 09/20/2018 5:53:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: joethedrummer
"He’s the boy with the finger in the dyke. Im serious."

You're absolutely right. Trump is that boy.

The question is this: Will the American People rally behind him in sufficient numbers to save themselves and America and the American Dream, or will the Democrats/Leftists/Progressives/Liberals prevent them from doing so?

119 posted on 09/20/2018 5:54:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Trump Revolution is LA RÉSISTANCE!We are LA RÉSISTANCE!Vive LA RÉSISTANCE! We shall overcome!)
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To: NorthMountain
The Deep State has plenty of guns

Yet they couldn't even defeat a bunch of Afghans using stone age technology.


120 posted on 09/20/2018 5:55:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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