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The Phony Numbers Behind California’s Solar Mandate
Wall Street Journal ^ | August 12, 2018 | Steven Sexton

Posted on 08/13/2018 5:32:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1

California’s energy regulators effectively cooked the books to justify their recent command that all homes built in the Golden State after 2020 be equipped with solar panels. Far from a boon to homeowners, the costs to builders and home buyers will likely far exceed the benefits to the state.

The California Energy Commission, which approved the rule as part of new energy-efficiency regulations, didn’t conduct an objective, independent investigation of the policy’s effects. Instead it relied on economic analysis from the consultancy that proposed the policy, Energy and Environmental Economics Inc. Its study concluded that home buyers get a 100% investment return—paying $40 more in monthly mortgage costs but saving $80 a month on electricity. If it’s such a good deal, why aren’t home buyers clamoring for more panels already? Most new homes aren’t built with solar panels today, even though the state is saturated by solar marketing.

The Energy Commission is too optimistic about the cost of panels. It assumes the cost was $2.93 a watt in 2016 and will decline 17% by 2020. Yet comprehensive analysis of panel costs by the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory estimated the average cost of installed panels to be $4.50 a watt for the 2- to 4-kilowatt systems the policy mandates. That is $4,000 more than regulators claim for a 2.6-kilowatt model system in the central part of the state, where 20% of new homes are expected to be built. Berkeley Lab further estimates that costs fell a mere 1% between 2015 and 2016, far short of the 4% average annual decline the regulators predict.

Now consider the alleged savings on energy bills. The commission’s analysis assumes California will maintain its net energy-metering policy, which effectively subsidizes electricity produced by a rooftop solar panel.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: housing; solar; solarmandate
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1 posted on 08/13/2018 5:32:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
Instead it relied on economic analysis from the consultancy that proposed the policy, Energy and Environmental Economics Inc

The answer here is simple, Homeowners should be allowed to SUE this Company for Damages for this blatant fraudulent assessment.
2 posted on 08/13/2018 5:39:34 AM PDT by eyeamok
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And most of these studies ignore the maintenance factor that panels would have to be replaced every so often, and those panels are expensive.

My neighbor in Florida had solar panels to heat his pool and the maintenance guys were there pretty much every year at least once.


3 posted on 08/13/2018 5:41:17 AM PDT by libertylover (Trump has driven the Democrats and GOPe batshit crazy.)
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To: libertylover

Query.....

Were the pool water heating panels actually solar collectors that circulate water through a solar heat exchanger or did the panels generate electricity that inturn provided resistance heat to warm the water?

I would bet the former.


4 posted on 08/13/2018 5:47:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: libertylover

I think ya’ got a little apples and oranges goin’ here.


5 posted on 08/13/2018 5:49:55 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: reaganaut1
California’s energy regulators effectively cooked the books to justify their recent command that all homes built in the Golden State after 2020 be equipped with solar panels. Far from a boon to homeowners, the costs to builders and home buyers will likely far exceed the benefits to the state.

Great, just what California needs - something to further drive up the price of housing. On the one hand, I appreciate the price support - I own a house a few blocks from the new Apple HQ and according to Zillow it has appreciated by about $1.3 million since I bought it 13 years ago. But I have to wonder who is going to be able to afford housing in California in the years to come? The state can't be entirely populated by software developers, software managers and government employees.
6 posted on 08/13/2018 5:54:08 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: eyeamok

>>The answer here is simple, Homeowners should be allowed to SUE this Company for Damages for this blatant fraudulent assessment.

Most likely the company is nothing but a shell created specifically to produce this blatantly fraudulent assessment. There would likely be no assets to seize.


7 posted on 08/13/2018 5:56:40 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~u/base)
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To: reaganaut1

Need more electricity production as Americans are forced into electric (cattle) cars.


8 posted on 08/13/2018 6:02:57 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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Cali has kicked all meaningful energy production outside its borders.

They get their just deserts...or....desserts......

9 posted on 08/13/2018 6:14:36 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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And most of these studies ignore the maintenance factor that panels would have to be replaced every so often, and those panels are expensive.

Last I read solar panels are good for about 15 years.

Keeping the panels clean is very important for power production. Dirt absorbs light and dust can scratch the panels permanently reducing power production.

Solar Panel owners should be hosing off their panels about once a week which might be hard to do if they are on your roof.

Just imagine the people with solar panels in California today whose panels haven’t seen the sun in weeks because of the forest fires.

10 posted on 08/13/2018 6:40:33 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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“Solar Panel owners should be hosing off their panels about once a week which might be hard to do if they are on your roof.”

And the State will criminally charge the person for excessive water use.


11 posted on 08/13/2018 6:47:30 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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You can’t have trees blocking the light either, many of these single level houses on small lots won’t be able to have trees.

Think about how that is going to affect air quality.


12 posted on 08/13/2018 6:54:20 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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It will also raise the cost of air conditioning because the home will not be shaded.

Seems like a catch-22. More power usage or more power production?

Which way to go?


13 posted on 08/13/2018 7:08:30 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Fred Hayek
And the State will criminally charge the person for excessive water use.

Only if the water ends up on the grass. 😉

14 posted on 08/13/2018 7:10:57 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: reaganaut1

Can’t read that through the pay wall.


15 posted on 08/13/2018 7:11:41 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: bert

I don’t know; they were my neighbors.


16 posted on 08/13/2018 7:25:31 AM PDT by libertylover (Trump has driven the Democrats and GOPe batshit crazy.)
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To: reaganaut1

Whatever
I’ve installed over 1000 systems from 1 to 500 kw
Solar panels work
If you don’t like thrm
Kiss your utilities ass


17 posted on 08/13/2018 7:28:40 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: bert

metoo


18 posted on 08/13/2018 2:33:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert

I’ve got a lot of land to play with.

A couple of reels of 200’ * 2” black plastic pipe uncoiled on the ground did a FANTASTIC job of heating the pool I had.


19 posted on 08/13/2018 2:36:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut1

Huge dangers involved with tehse system - heat, high voltage/current, complicated electronics, maintenance hazards

Projections of the Insurance costs needed/added for these ‘mandated’ solar houses will be covered up (and for more fun stuff like paperwork/inspections, service calls, and yet more government meddling).

The politicos will go home feeling good from the stupids who vote for them for shams/scams like this, but people’s lives will be lost and more middlemen will be enabled and regulation lasting ‘til the end of time’ (or the leftist’s time, which might be up really soon).


20 posted on 08/13/2018 3:43:06 PM PDT by elbook
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