This ideology is really creeping into churches now.
I don’t want to make a scene with my pastor, but are African’s guilty of selling their brothers into slavery as well?
Mexicans guilty of Aztec human sacrifices?
Where does this end?
You must understand that only white people can. be racist. Also I guess he didn’t call the black slave owners traitors and demand an apology from their black heirs.
I have zero interest in error. Especially religious error. And I don't feel guilty about what my ancestors may, or may not, have done. Finally, I never owned a slave and never shot an Indian and consider the atrocities against such as mere history.
Keller has always been a look-at-me-I’m-so-tolerant kind of guy. He’s a typical liberal “pastor” who thinks he can appear humble by wallowing in collective guilt, when he is really preening that he is “not like those other people.” Sound like anyone we know in Luke 18?
I hated his book, The Prodigal God, that many thought was so great. All he did was repeat hearsay from people who moved away from those nasty, rigid Christians in the hinterlands and found acceptance in Keller’s city church. It always makes me angry when people who call themselves Christian condemn other Christians, but not by name, only as a faceless group... those Christians.
Keller is a sanctimonious, arrogant guy.
AFAIK, my forefathers arrived here shortly before or after slavery came to an end and to my knowledge never owned any slaves. So no “sorry” from me!
The article quotes the following:
“Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.” (Daniel 9:16)
He should have quoted this:
“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” (II Chron. 7-14)
A nation is responsible for what wickedness it is doing NOW. A nation is not responsible for the wickedness that happened in the past if it turns from its wicked ways.
The problem with what Keller is saying is that there can never be healing, you will always be held guilty no matter what you do. That is not scriptural, at least according to the Gospel.
My forefathers were starving in Ireland at the time.
Don’t visit the sins of the father on his children.
Where does this end?
It ends when people stop apologizing for something they had no control over. Some of my ancestors owned slaves and others fought Indians.
I do not demand atonement from Blacks and Yankees for the family members who died in the Civil War nor do I ask for an apology from the Comanches for killing my great grandfather. It’s all part of their life stories. Just as slavery and Indian wars were a part of America’s life story.
Ping
For Pete’s sake - not sure if that was originally a reference to the Apostle Peter......
But it is extremely offensive to me, as a born-again Christian, for a supposed brother in Christ to be accusing me of such atrocities as these which Mr. Keller seems to be ascribing/imputing to me and millions of others. I have no idea where he finds a Biblical mandate or pattern for this foolishness.
All this nonsense will accomplish is to get people focusing on the past, and their differences, and a lot of trivial trash. It is the exact opposite of the unity of the believers preached in the early part of the book of Ephesians.
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So thanks for the heads up on the these accommodationist tendencies being presented as an alternative to the Gospel of grace.
Slavery in America is over. Nobody alive now, was ever a slave, or a slaveowner.
So get over it. Move on. Get lives, in the here and now.
Last year was the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s Worm’s declaration.
One of the catholic practices at the time was something called the sale of indulgences.
Basically the catholic church took the ancestors of people hostage and then gave the people way to get their ancestors out of ancestor jail through the sale of indulgences. It was a business.
Same thing is going on now. The blacks jail white ancestors and offer to get them out for . price. More money, fame, position, title, stuff for blacks. But only for a little while. Because, whatever stuff is never enough. It becomes a danegeld thing.
But what the hey. Why give it up when it works so well? They have been doing it since the 60’s.
White people in the U.S.A. ended slavery.
Consider the demographics of those who are presiding over human trafficking. They are guilty of slavery today, and most of them are descended very recently from foreign cultures.
OK, lets make American Indians pay reparations for lung cancer due to tobacco...
"All your casino are belong to us." /sarc>
My first ancestors landed at Jamestown in 1609. I have some that hunted and killed Indians after the Massacre of 1622 when the Powhattans slaughtered a quarter of the English settlers.
I have some ancestors who owned slaves. Never on a scale like their neighbor Thomas Jefferson, or their neighbor Andrew Jackson. Not wealthy enough.
I have a dozen ancestors who fought in the Revolution. Most militia, some Continentals.
I have only one close ancestor who fought in the Civil War. Army of Northern Virginia, 13th Mississippi, Barksdale’s Brigade. He was killed at Gettysburg and buried in the field, by the peach orchard.
My family history is the history of the United States, and I don’t feel guilt or remorse for any of it. I’ll leave that to foolishness to others.
The church in America could do so much, but it keeps revisiting the past. Meanwhile the church in oppressed countries appears to be growing.
I’m more concerned with present day slavery and human trafficking.
It has been as far back as my high school days, maybe farther. Next week we are holding our 50 year reunion.
This is only the latest manifestation.