Posted on 08/09/2018 12:47:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA
I recently listened to a lecture by a pastor, Tim Keller from New York, who argued that white people need to apologize to blacks for the sin of their fathers’ racism...
... Keller says, “I mean I still hear it, though especially years ago when I lived in the South. I heard white people say, ‘Yeah, it’s a shame what slavery did, but I never owned any slaves so why in the world does anybody think that I as a white person now had any responsibility to that community over there at all? I didn’t own slaves.’ But here is Daniel feeling a responsibility for and repenting for things his ancestors did. Why? Because he knows that the culture that he’s part of produced the sins of the past and he’s still part of that culture. He senses the responsibility and the Bible senses the responsibility. He senses the connection.”
From this, Keller concludes that an entire society can be found responsible for and guilty of past sins committed by that culture...
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This ideology is really creeping into churches now.
I don’t want to make a scene with my pastor, but are African’s guilty of selling their brothers into slavery as well?
Mexicans guilty of Aztec human sacrifices?
Where does this end?
You must understand that only white people can. be racist. Also I guess he didn’t call the black slave owners traitors and demand an apology from their black heirs.
I have zero interest in error. Especially religious error. And I don't feel guilty about what my ancestors may, or may not, have done. Finally, I never owned a slave and never shot an Indian and consider the atrocities against such as mere history.
Keller has always been a look-at-me-I’m-so-tolerant kind of guy. He’s a typical liberal “pastor” who thinks he can appear humble by wallowing in collective guilt, when he is really preening that he is “not like those other people.” Sound like anyone we know in Luke 18?
I hated his book, The Prodigal God, that many thought was so great. All he did was repeat hearsay from people who moved away from those nasty, rigid Christians in the hinterlands and found acceptance in Keller’s city church. It always makes me angry when people who call themselves Christian condemn other Christians, but not by name, only as a faceless group... those Christians.
Keller is a sanctimonious, arrogant guy.
AFAIK, my forefathers arrived here shortly before or after slavery came to an end and to my knowledge never owned any slaves. So no “sorry” from me!
The article quotes the following:
“Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.” (Daniel 9:16)
He should have quoted this:
“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” (II Chron. 7-14)
A nation is responsible for what wickedness it is doing NOW. A nation is not responsible for the wickedness that happened in the past if it turns from its wicked ways.
The problem with what Keller is saying is that there can never be healing, you will always be held guilty no matter what you do. That is not scriptural, at least according to the Gospel.
That too - either Christ took our sins and put them away ‘as far as the east is from the West’ Or he didn’t.
My forefathers were starving in Ireland at the time.
My ancestors helped to free he slaves, by not only marching to the south and fighting for their freedom, but bringing an ex slave and his wife home with him and finding a house and job for him, and in searching the census for 1880 I saw that the ex slave and his family lived right across the street from my ancestors
Don’t visit the sins of the father on his children.
Where does this end?
It ends when people stop apologizing for something they had no control over. Some of my ancestors owned slaves and others fought Indians.
I do not demand atonement from Blacks and Yankees for the family members who died in the Civil War nor do I ask for an apology from the Comanches for killing my great grandfather. It’s all part of their life stories. Just as slavery and Indian wars were a part of America’s life story.
Ping
The Bible speaks of the need to forgive. Matthew 6:14-15. The pastor is not reading the Bible very carefully.
For Pete’s sake - not sure if that was originally a reference to the Apostle Peter......
But it is extremely offensive to me, as a born-again Christian, for a supposed brother in Christ to be accusing me of such atrocities as these which Mr. Keller seems to be ascribing/imputing to me and millions of others. I have no idea where he finds a Biblical mandate or pattern for this foolishness.
All this nonsense will accomplish is to get people focusing on the past, and their differences, and a lot of trivial trash. It is the exact opposite of the unity of the believers preached in the early part of the book of Ephesians.
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So thanks for the heads up on the these accommodationist tendencies being presented as an alternative to the Gospel of grace.
From this, Keller concludes that an entire society can be found responsible for and guilty of past sins committed by that culture.
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Sins are not committed by culture/s. Sins are committed by .... wait for it ..... SINNERS!!
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But, if it is time for white people to apologize to black people here is an idea:
Whites should apologize for the horror of abortion that has been used to wipe out millions of black lives.
And point out that Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist white woman who saw her mission as the elimination of as many blacks as possible by means of abortion.
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Not sure if Mr. Keller would welcome the attention he would receive if he put serious effort into addressing the actual sins of people living today. So much easier to “go back in time” and second guess people who have been dead for 150 years and more.
Slavery in America is over. Nobody alive now, was ever a slave, or a slaveowner.
So get over it. Move on. Get lives, in the here and now.
None of my kin owned slaves. But not long after the Civil War my paternal gramma, as a child was “hired out” to a farm near Cambridge, MD which had former slaves working there. She lived in their quarters and learned to cook and bake from those ladies, who being illiterate had all the recipes and cooking/baking knowledge in their heads. In my day she was known in our area a prime cook and baker. It was a wonderful treat to visit Gramma Ida. She ALWAYS ad a cake, a pie or both in her old punched tin pie safe in the basement.
If there is an apology to be made by this generation, it is for Johnson’s Great Society, which destroyed the black family structure.
Last year was the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s Worm’s declaration.
One of the catholic practices at the time was something called the sale of indulgences.
Basically the catholic church took the ancestors of people hostage and then gave the people way to get their ancestors out of ancestor jail through the sale of indulgences. It was a business.
Same thing is going on now. The blacks jail white ancestors and offer to get them out for . price. More money, fame, position, title, stuff for blacks. But only for a little while. Because, whatever stuff is never enough. It becomes a danegeld thing.
But what the hey. Why give it up when it works so well? They have been doing it since the 60’s.
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