Posted on 06/19/2018 8:40:10 AM PDT by Pinkbell
Here's the thing with this policy, logically, you can make arguments that say it makes sense.
1. There are 50,000 people crossing the border illegally each month, and you need a no nonsense policy. Arrest everyone who violates the law.
2. If you are arresting everyone, you can't make exceptions for people coming in with kids and people coming in without kids.
3. Making an exception for people with kids, has led some migrants to admit they are bringing their kids because they think it will help them get in. This has led to the trafficking of children unfortunately as a consequence.
4. When American parents are arrested, they are separated from their children. Should there be a double standard?
Kirstjen Neilson gave a press briefing and provided excellent information:
~Last 3 months illegal immigration = 50,000 ppl per month ~350% increase in unaccompanied alien children ~435% increase in families crossing the border ~314% increase in child smuggling ~Over last 10 years, 1,700% increase in asylum crimes ~600,000 asylum cases backlogged ~Since 2013, the U.S. has admitted more than half a million minors and families who are at large in the country ~Loopholes cause open borders 1. 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act must be amended as it encourages smugglers 2. Reform Asylum Laws To Stop Fraud 3. Amend Flores Settlement Agreement which would allow families to stay together & Congress should fund it.
There are also lies being circulated whether you support it or not:
1. These are called concentration camps, but these same detention facilities were open during the Obama Administration wherein they housed unaccompanied minors with no families. That still encompasses about 90% of the kids in these facilities. If they are concentration camps now, they were then, but we heard nothing.
2. Those images of "cages" are holding centers with chain link partitions to separate people whether unaccompanied, family, males, females, etc. These same facilities were open during the Obama Administration. In fact, there are pictures of even worse facilities during his Administration. However, no one has called him Hitler yet. These facilities are not long term facilities to my knowledge. Children such as unaccompanied minors are transferred to different facilities like the one in Texas with beds, school, recess, a game room, medical facility, etc.
Here are pictures of these facilities during the Obama Administration:
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Leaked-photos-show-immigrant-children-packed-in-5531953.php
3. These people are not all asylum seekers. Asylum seekers turn themselves in at specific points of entry. They are not arrested, and therefore, their children are not separated. These are people who have crossed illegally and upon apprehension ask for asylum because they think that will help them be able to stay. They are allowed to do that, but it is a process.
4. The policy of catching and releasing families who have come in and asked for asylum is poor because there are people who are released who are not showing up for their court dates, and it is an incentive for people to come here.
The reality is that this occurred under the Obama Administration. No, he didn't have a full no tolerance policy, but here is a report on this. Children were separated. This is proof, and here is a full report replete with sad stories the media didn't care about because Obama was President:
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/KIND%20-%20Betraying%20Family%20Values.pdf
ALL OF THIS SAID:
It doesn't matter. From a persuasion standpoint, it's not an argument you can push with the above logic. Why? Because the media aren't going to divulge all of those facts. They won't say a single thing I said above to provide context. They will show pictures of children in "cages" (without providing these are the same facilities used by Obama), write stories of children taken from their parents, and have everyone thinking that children are taken to concentration camps. Obviously, the facilities like the one shown in Texas in the former Walmart wherein kids stay for an average of 49 days and are well taken care of are obviously not concentration camps, but when the rhetoric in the press 24/7 dictates these things, it's hard to overcome. I just watched Wolf Blitzer show the "cages" on TV. The average person watching will assume that Trump built this facility while Obama had people in better facilities.
Therefore, let's have a look at the polls coming out:
A poll from an article in the Daily Beast shows the following:
"Of those surveyed, 27 percent of the overall respondents agreed with it, while 56% disagreed with the statement. Yet, Republicans leaned slightly more in favor, with 46% agreeing with the statement and 32 percent disagreeing. Meanwhile, 14 percent of Democrats surveyed supported it and only 29% of Independents were in favor.
The sample, according to Ipsos, included 339 Democrats, 335 Republicans and 204 Independents."
Here's another one. This one is from Quinnipiac:
NEW: Quinnipiac University poll shows Americans overwhelmingly oppose separating children from parents after illegal border crossings, 66% - 27%.
Republicans, however, back the policy, 55%- 35%.
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1008754568702976002
You may personally support this policy, but if you support Trump, consider whether it is good for him. Trump's approval rating among Republicans is sky high, but the approval for this policy is far lower than his general approval rating among Republicans. Only 27% of the public supports it. I have seen people on social media who voted for Trump who now say they regret it in part at least over this policy. A couple say they will vote Democrat.
You have Republicans out there speaking out against it - some conservative and religious leaders - some evangelical. Evangelicals are Trump's strongest voting block. You have members of Congress who are some of Trump's allies opposed to it as well.
The Democrats had the momentum for a blue wave for a while. I could see it on social media, in special elections, and feel the energy. Things were evening out and the Republicans had become competitive in polling. There was little for the Democrats to rant over except Trump's attempts to make peace in North Korea and Russia (which the average public is not consumed with day to day). Their TV shows like Maddow had dropped in ratings. What did this do? It galvanized them? They are planning marches. This is the sort of issue that brings Democrats to polls and can touch independents (a majority of whom are opposed).
This policy from a persuasion or political standpoint doesn't look good. Kirstjen Neilson gave all those statistics at a press conference. Guess what? It doesn't matter. The media doesn't report it. The media could report the facts of the situation so the American people understand the policy whether or not they agree, but they don't. As soon as it was over, they ignored all her facts and went back to saying Trump throws kids in "cages".
Ted Cruz has recognized this is not a good situation and has proposed a good bill. The only thing that may need to be changed in it is the 14 day period. There are so many cases that I have read people saying that's too short. Talk to lawyers and find out how much time it realistically takes and put that in the bill.
This week, Sen. Cruz is introducing the Protect Kids and Parents Act, which will:
Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.
Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.
Mandate that illegal immigrant families must be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.
Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that—within 14 days—those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=3892
I hope that Trump signs this bill. I know he wants to fix the broader issue. We all do. However, if he holds out to fix the broader issue and get a full immigration reform bill, this will drag on, and the images and audio that cross the TV will certainly be used in Democratic midterm campaigns They will say there is a bill there to fix it, one put in place by Republicans, and that he is holding out to get his wall to the detriment of the children. That will be their talking point. Don't forget there are Republicans with big elections, some in purple districts and states, that could be harmed by this.
They have a huge march planned for June 30. Get this done by then! The kids will be happy, it will help fix this issue, and it will be better politically speaking.
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I am okay with the Cruz bill if they HOLD the illegals until their hearing. Then they send the adults and the children back to their homeland. If the adult comes back, it’s then a felony.
America and Americans first, or the death of America. This is what is at stake. They came in via Mexico and should leave via Mexico.
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They should be forced back on Mexico. Create a humanitarian crisis for Mexico. If Mexico doesn’t like it, we should bomb the #$%&^ out of them. These low life 3rd world rats are nothing but trouble.
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The 14 days should be 90 days!
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I support the Cruz bill, if only to take the issue off the table for the democrats/media.
Paraphrasing Ronald W. Reagan (this time about Leftists): “We win, they lose.”
Oppose them wherever they are. Remove their issues. Do not give them any ammunition to use against us. Be on the offensive; never the defensive. Fight, fight and then fight some more.
Polls Show Majority Trump can’t win liberals have Hyper Cerebral Electrosis.
Don’t let them make you care!
I know, right?
Nobody polled me. Weird
See, that is the crux of it, and the interesting thing about this is that the Leftists have no other issues, none, that they can go with.
Repeat: None.
And there is likelihood that a few of their Leftist police state tactics exercised in the last administration and the last election are going to blow up in their faces as the election gets nearer.
That makes the Left desperate.
So, like a drowning man, they latched onto this because it is ALL they have. That is it.
On the face of it, the entire thing is stupid. I repeat: STUPID. The left, likening it to Nazi concentration camps, and even the Japanese Internment camps (A leftist idea, lest we forget), framing it as child abuse, calling for the resignation of Kirstjen Nielsen by the vacuous likes of Kamala Harris, and the non-stop 24x7 support by the media, who lest we forget, were actively bribing the FBI for leaks.
There is not a thing wrong with what is being done. Nothing. Parents who are not sent to jail for other crimes are reunited with their children and deported.
I am not in favor of passing legislation to create areas to have children and adults detained together. These are the solutions to this, and I don’t support anything less:
1.) Eliminate the anchor baby loophole. The rest of the world doesn’t allow it for good reason. Eliminate it.
2.) Eliminate chain migration. Period.
3.) Enforce the immediate deportation of people with their children who do not apply for asylum as required and are caught in the illegal act of unauthorized entry.
4.) Immediately deport anyone and their children who enters from Central America (or any other country) via Mexico who has not first applied for asylum in Mexico. We have a treaty with Mexico and other countries on the process for asylum. The first SAFE country, not the one that has the best freebies. Mexico wants to change the agreement. This is how it is done in the EU. First SAFE country.
5.) Need to address the issue of asylum. These people may be criminals, but that doesn’t mean they are completely stupid. If they claim asylum and we allow them to, everyone knows that children can only be held for 20 days before they must be released, due to the decisions by 9th Circuit and the Flores Consent Decree. Which means the “asylum” seeker will be released with children into the population.
6.) Streamline the process of hearing and deportation. Get rid of loopholes. Button the processes down. Appoint more judges, hire more resources.
7.) When deported, fingerprint, retina scan, everything else. Improve the infrastructure so that someone out enforcing immigration can get an immediate feedback of REPEAT ILLEGAL ALIEN and process them accordingly. Immediately.
I am NOT in favor of creating camps for this. The responsibility is on the ADULT bringing the child over to this country IN VIOLATION OF OUR LAW, not on US because we enforce OUR law. If the left wants to classify this as child abuse, that should be applied to the adults or parents who subject the children to this.
Lastly, BUILD A DAMNED WALL. Surely it can be done for less than $100 billion dollars, the low end of the estimates of the annual costs of illegal immigration. We are in a civil war right now with the Left over the future of this country. We better start acting like we know it, because they surely do and are intent on subjugating us by any means possible, legal or illegal.
You want to see a majority?
The majority want to see crybabies stop getting their damn way about EVERYTHING!!!!!!
How about we just apologize to the Democrats instead?
That would be much faster and easier, and probably much more effective.
There is a reason Trump is getting things done, well described by Daniel Greenfield's excellent piece: Trump's 5 Rules for Ruling.
In quick summary:
1. Act, Don’t React
2. Try Everything
3. Chaos is Power
4. Never Show Your Hand
5. Don’t Be Afraid to be the Bad Guy
Those five things explain both why he shouldn't go along with plans to placate the Left on this phony issue, and one (Number 2) which explains why he might go along with this. I hope he continues to operate as he has.
Leftists view conciliation and bipartisanship as weakness, and will exploit it to its fullest by moving to the next fake issue with more 'demands'. I say we let them smash themselves against the rocks, to drive them to ever greater levels of Trump Derangement.
Let them 'demand' in one hand and crap in the other, and we will see which one fills up first.
How about instead of rolling over and playing dead, TPTB schedule some hearings and have Clinton, O, et al testify under oath as to their application of this law. With evidence, photo/video/etc of what happened under their watch provided to ensure correct testimony, etc. ...?
Let them defend it.
No surprise in a pathetic effort to distract and deflect from the damning IG report about Democrat corruption in the Obama DOJ, the Democrat directed Fake Media is freaking out at Trump for a policy started by their god Obama.
The 14 day time frame for completion of the process is the heart of this proposal. Everything else is window dressing designed to deflect the emotional appeal currently being advanced.
The purpose is to remove the road blocks and deliberate delays now used to bog down the system and pervert the process. A claim would be heard within two weeks of apprehension and the small percentage with a valid claim would be granted asylum but the vast majority without a valid claim would be returned to their home country immediately. There would not be a need to house any individual for more than a maximum of 14 days and as word got out that time frame would likely be reduced. If that date was extended to 90 days, the core purpose of the program would be defeated.
Yep, and there is now and endless parade of Republican losers bowling each other over to see who can lose the fastest.
Frickin’ pitiful.
correction: two weeks of apprehension - should be two weeks of being apprehended.
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And if the claim cannot be heard in 14 days?
Don’t bother scamming me!
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Predictable and tedious.
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