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To: Pelham

I was mostly trying to make a rhetorical point.

When Trump says MAGA, plenty of Liberals interpret that as “Bring back Jim Crow! Bring back slavery! America was great when blacks had no rights! That’s what Trump really means!”

It’s stupid.

So — when was America great? When we gave full civil rights to everyone regardless of race. And the Democrats mostly opposed that. Liberals pretend that wasn’t so, but it was. Civil Rights regardless of race became a law because of overwhelming Republican support.

You may find fault with the law. As you note, Goldwater and Reagan found fault with it. But, as a rhetorical point, for the Liberal who think Trump’s “MAGA” is some kind of racist dog whistle, I think that declaring 1964 as a great year in American history is a clever way to say “Republicans are not racists; Democrats are.”


157 posted on 06/15/2018 7:05:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Yes, I get it - racism is bad and mutual respect and inclusion is good. But value Truth too.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Ohioan

“, I think that declaring 1964 as a great year in American history is a clever way to say “Republicans are not racists; Democrats are.”

It’s a foolish argument unless the point is to denigrate conservatives because the Civil Rights Act broke along liberal/conservative lines and party affiliation had little to do with the vote.

“Under President Lyndon Johnson, who had an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Congress, liberal Democrats, together with Conservative and Liberal Republicans led by Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, convinced all but six Republicans to vote for cloture on the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This vote broke a Southern filibuster led by Senators Robert Byrd (D-WV) and Strom Thurmond (D-SC). Though a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats (about 80% versus 60% respectively) voted for cloture and for the bill, the 1964 GOP Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), voted against cloture; before his presidential campaign Goldwater had supported civil rights legislation but opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on constitutional grounds, believing private individuals had the right to choose with whom they engaged in business. The GOP was massively defeated in 1964, but recovered its strength in the congressional elections of 1966, and elected Richard Nixon president in 1968. Throughout the 1954–1980 era the Republicans were a minority in both the House and Senate, but most of the time they cooperated with Conservative Democrats.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_coalition#Decline_and_end


159 posted on 06/15/2018 8:36:42 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Pelham
You are making the mistake of adopting tactics that assume the Left has a valid argument, when they adopt Misdirection: Familiar Leftist Tactic, on racial questions.

The causes of the problems in the Black community have been deliberately misrepresented, by Leftwing whites, in a manner that prevents actual solution.

You also, I think, are confusing "Civil Rights," and "Civil Liberties." The first are rights conferred by over-reaching Government. The latter are the Natural Rights, recognized in the Declaration of Independence. (Declaration Of Independence--With Study Guide)

161 posted on 06/15/2018 9:36:18 AM PDT by Ohioan
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