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Governor to Sign 6 Bills Stripping Citizens of Gun Rights (New Jersey)
thefederalistpapers.org ^ | June 13, 2018 | Steve Straub

Posted on 06/14/2018 3:56:37 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: ealgeone
New Jersey has become worse than old Jersey.


21 posted on 06/14/2018 4:57:33 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler ( Gadsden Purchase 1853: U.S.A. buys 29,670 square miles from Mexico for $337 An Acre)
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To: lowbridge

“the governor is expected to sign a package of bills approved by the Democrat-controlled Legislature”

He’ll have to be sitting down when he signs or else the bulge will embarass him.


22 posted on 06/14/2018 5:05:25 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: lowbridge

“A2758, which will strictly define that state residents need to show a “justifiable need” “

Death threats on your answering machine or having been shot and wounded are not sufficient grounds.


23 posted on 06/14/2018 5:07:53 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: ealgeone
* A1217, which will create restraining orders in the state allowing family members and others to ask a judge to have a person’s guns seized and ban them from buying weapons for up to a year.
(This all by itself is ripe for abuse)

* A1181, which will mandate law enforcement in the state to seize a person’s guns if a mental health professional determines they pose a threat to themselves.
(End result: people will not seek mental health. Nice going.)

* A2758, which will strictly define that state residents need to show a “justifiable need” to obtain a permit to carry a handgun — meaning they must show they face a specific threat to their own safety.
(I can't even comment on this. I didn't have to show a "need" in my state, but I had to write a letter describing why I wanted to conceal carry. I guess not much difference. But on the face of it, who should have to justify their self defense?)

* A2757, which will require all private gun sales in the state to go through a licensed dealer who can perform an additional background check at the point of sale.
(Typical. This is their approach.)

* A2759, which will create an outright ban in the state on possessing armor-piercing bullets.
(Stupid, feel good legislation, "See! We are doing something about guns! We aren't the bad guys!)

* A2761, which will ban magazines in the state that hold more than 10 rounds, with some exceptions.
(Even stupider, feel good legislation, "See! We are doing something about guns! We aren't the bad guys!)

A seventh gun control bill would ban “ghost guns” that are assembled with untraceable components. That measure (S2465) was passed 37-0 in the Senate but has not yet gotten a vote in the Assembly
(Is this a major problem? Will this impact my ability to assemble a custom Garand? Didn't know about this one.)

24 posted on 06/14/2018 5:14:27 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: rlmorel

Moral: do not live amongst the human, antiAmerican detritus in New Jersey


25 posted on 06/14/2018 5:16:11 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: MichaelCorleone

..he thinks...


26 posted on 06/14/2018 5:18:40 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-https://youtu...8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: usconservative

Yep. Agreed.

They are trying to attack gun ownership on multiple fronts including making it more expensive to buy guns by increasing the price of them through litigation, regulation, and removing their ability to finance their corporate activities.

They are trying to do the same thing with the ammunition providers by making it harder to buy ammunition and making it more expensive.

They are trying to make it harder for an individual to get licenses, raising the fees, decreasing the time frame it is valid for, and making the process bureaucratically complicated (intentionally)


27 posted on 06/14/2018 5:20:15 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Fred911

Last one out, please turn off the lights.

....of course there’s a fee attached to that privilege....


28 posted on 06/14/2018 5:21:46 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-https://youtu...8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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29 posted on 06/14/2018 5:27:41 AM PDT by DoodleBob
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To: bert

I don’t want to condemn those people by saying their only choice is to leave the state, although that is one of the reasons why the diminishing of state rights and power is problematic, because that was the strength of a non-federal system.

Each state was its own petri dish for what the citizens liked and what they didn’t, what worked, and what didn’t.

It is why federally mandated Common Core is so dangerous. If we screw it up (and we will) we won’t just destroy a generation of students in Oklahoma, we are going to cripple a generation of students nationwide.

So, sure our only advice is to leave New Jersey. And California. And Missouri. And Connecticut. And Washington state. And Oregon. And Colorado. And Massachusetts...you know what I mean.

I don’t buy it. There has to be a better way than simply telling them to leave their homes.


30 posted on 06/14/2018 5:28:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: ealgeone

UPDATE - Each of these was signed by the “Governor” on Wednesday during a highly publicized ceremony. Check my tagline.


31 posted on 06/14/2018 5:30:23 AM PDT by paulcissa (Democrats want you unarmed so they can kill you.)
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To: lowbridge

They can pass whatever they like. Do not comply. Rights are rights. They cannot be removed. These rights are worldwide. US happens to have them written down in the constitution, but everyone is born with these rights. They’re God given.

These monkeys think they can strip rights with a pen, I don’t think so.


32 posted on 06/14/2018 5:34:44 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: lowbridge
* A1217, which will create restraining orders in the state allowing family members and others to ask a judge to have a person’s guns seized and ban them from buying weapons for up to a year.

Oh good, because family members never fight, have drug abuse problems, try to cheat each other out of inheritances, hold grudges... Why heck, so-called "domestic disturbance" calls are considered easy by law enforcement. This won't be abused at all... :-/

* A1181, which will mandate law enforcement in the state to seize a person’s guns if a mental health professional determines they pose a threat to themselves.

Great, so-called "mental health professionals" never have their own agenda, and the criteria for stripping someone of their rights - the tagging them as a "threat" - isn't open for interpretation or abuse...

* A2758, which will strictly define that state residents need to show a “justifiable need” to obtain a permit to carry a handgun — meaning they must show they face a specific threat to their own safety.

Just plain wildly un-Constitutional. It is called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs. Blatant infringement.

* A2757, which will require all private gun sales in the state to go through a licensed dealer who can perform an additional background check at the point of sale.

Several other States have this, with no noticeable effect on crime. Why, it's almost as if criminals don't follow the laws... How about that.

* A2759, which will create an outright ban in the state on possessing armor-piercing bullets.

Depending on how this is worded it could be a huge problem. Yes, "armor-piercing" handgun rounds and even 5.56mm rounds can punch through most "bullet-proof" vests. (maybe not plate carriers though) There is even an ATF definition of AP - which oddly enough does *not* included M855 LAP... Anyway, this is obvious incrementalism. Worse, if it is worded as banning *any* ammunition capable of piercing "bullet-proof" vests then it will outlaw some very common rifle calibers. "Bullet-proof" vests really only stop typical handgun and light rifle rounds. Your average deer rifle or modest sized game rifle is capable of defeating vests... They may have accidentally (or intentionally) over-reached on this one.

* A2761, which will ban magazines in the state that hold more than 10 rounds, with some exceptions.

Idiotic, useless, feel-good measure intended only to harass law abiding citizens. In most crimes and defensive handgun uses only a few shots (3 - 5?) are fired. In so-called mass-shooting events these are almost universally (98% or more) perpetrated in "gun free zones" where the shooter typically has double-digit minutes to murder people before law enforcement arrives and eventually confronts him/her. A magazine restriction that causes the whack-job to perform a couple of extra magazine swaps, requiring mere seconds and often accomplished while seeking additional targets - is tactically useless. Every single mass shooting in the past 10 years could have been performed with "reduced" magazine capacities with zero effect on the outcome.

Way to go 'Jersey - don't let California lead the Country in stupidity, make it a horse race...

33 posted on 06/14/2018 5:36:15 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: paulcissa

And they will if they get the chance.


34 posted on 06/14/2018 5:42:30 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: paulcissa
Check my tagline.

Check mine. Had it since 2006.

35 posted on 06/14/2018 5:51:54 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ThunderSleeps

* A2758, which will strictly define that state residents need to show a “justifiable need” to obtain a permit to carry a handgun — meaning they must show they face a specific threat to their own safety.

Obviously, this one needs to be heavily, and relentlessly applied to the politicians. No armed security, in fact, no security at all unless they can show that they face a specific threat to their own safety.


36 posted on 06/14/2018 5:55:33 AM PDT by ferret_airlift
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To: lowbridge
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

37 posted on 06/14/2018 6:16:19 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: rlmorel

America exists soley because people left their homes to find opportunity and escape opression.

The spirit of the pioneers will depopulate the opressive states. The opressive states are in fact the European cancer taking hold in North America.


38 posted on 06/14/2018 6:36:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: lowbridge

Not one greedy lawyer will step forward to launch a class action 2nd amendment civil rights case. It is way past due. And it could be bigger than the tobacco case.


39 posted on 06/14/2018 6:43:02 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: lowbridge

New Jersey Constitution, Article II, Section 6:

‘No idiot or insane person shall enjoy the right of suffrage.’

This portion needs to be enforced.


40 posted on 06/14/2018 6:57:58 AM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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