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California Farmer Attempts to Comply with Law and is Arrested
Ammoland ^ | June 4, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/09/2018 6:11:34 AM PDT by marktwain

California Farmer Attempts to Comply with Law and is Arrested

Last month, April, 2018, the California Department of Justice raided prominent Kern County Farmer, Jeffrey Scott Kirschenmann. The justification for the raid was pictures the farmer had sent to the Department of Justice in an attempt to register a rifle. The DOJ claimed the rifle was an illegally modified “Assault weapon”.  During the raid, the DOJ confiscated 230 rounds of ammunition, a dozen guns, two objects claimed to be “silencers”, and some sort of trigger activator.

There is reason to be wary of the accuracy of the claims of what was found during the raid. California law is very complex. California law enforcement officers have been known to make mistakes about what is an “assault weapon” and what is not. “Silencers” can only be determined with a test to see if the devices actually reduce the sound signature of a firearm. There are many fake look alike simulated “silencers” on the market.  From kget.com:

Retired KCSO Commander Joe Pilkington is a court recognized firearms expert. He could not speak directly to Kirschenmann's case but says the laws are changing so frequently, it's often hard to keep up with the latest regulations.

“Just in the last few years, there have been lots of changes in gun laws,” he said. “Making an effort, a good faith effort to comply with these really complicated laws, should count for something.”

A new state law requires assault-style weapons be registered by the end of June.

Pilkington recommends anyone who isn't sure about the process go through a federally licensed


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2018election; 2020election; 2ndamendment; banglist; ca; california; election2018; election2020; guncontrol; gunregistration; nra; secondamendment
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Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation.
1 posted on 06/09/2018 6:11:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is a sign that ca has gone full left. It is implementing all the left’s desires and wishes. It has become fascist, repressive, totalitarian, and unfair.

I said a million times, that the left wants to take guns from non-violent citizens and leave them in the hands of violent criminals.

I’ll add this: by passing laws, they declare innocent people to be criminals and arrest them, destroying their lives, and this is their intention. They have no intention of destroying criminals’ lives, only honest peoples’ lives. The governor writes his name on a paper, and the troops swoop down on innocent, non-violent, law-abiding citizens and ruin their lives.

At no time do they ever think of taking guns from criminals, or of destroying criminals’ lives with false prosecutions.

You think this is the land of the free?


2 posted on 06/09/2018 6:30:12 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Voltaire: To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: marktwain

Why would anyone attempt to comply with California forearms law without consulting an attorney first. Similarly should my state pass some license or registration law I would not ever try to comply. Let them find me...I won’t help them.


3 posted on 06/09/2018 6:37:47 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: msrngtp2002

You know it!


4 posted on 06/09/2018 6:39:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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5 posted on 06/09/2018 6:42:45 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: marktwain
I've seen several nearly identical reports on this over the past week, including an email from NRA last night. Problem is they all end in mid-May and tell nothing newer. Also, was he registering guns and items that even registered are illegal? (1) Illegal in California and (2) Illegal in US?

Seems people need to seriously challenge all of California's gun laws vis-a-vis the US Constitution. I do not understand why they are allowed, why Californians are so gullible and complying, to allow their rights to be abridged and denied.

6 posted on 06/09/2018 6:43:06 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: I want the USA back

“During the raid, the DOJ confiscated 230 rounds of ammunition, a dozen guns, two objects claimed to be “silencers”, and some sort of trigger activator.”

And if they were told to shoot the guy on the spot they would have. These kind of cops are nothing more than street muscle for filthy politicians. DOJstapo.


7 posted on 06/09/2018 7:03:32 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: marktwain

I for one am going “California Compliant”. I’m not going down that road.


8 posted on 06/09/2018 7:10:36 AM PDT by umgud
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“Just in the last few years, there have been lots of changes in gun laws,”

Americans constantly waking up and finding they are now criminals in their own homes, having done nothing illegal in the past.

“No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session.” -Attributed to Mark Twain, but maybe Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.


9 posted on 06/09/2018 7:12:55 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: I want the USA back

Situations like this cause me to be reserved in my sorrow and disapproval of the assassination of California police officers. Those who associate and band together with tyrants should be treated to the rewards of tyranny.


10 posted on 06/09/2018 7:22:04 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

+ 1. Goes for most cops in all areas. Just my opinion that they are toll extorting muscle for sleazy politicians.


11 posted on 06/09/2018 7:28:20 AM PDT by wgmalabama (The government murdered Robert LaVoy Finicum - what makes you think you are not next?)
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To: I want the USA back
They have no intention of destroying criminals’ lives, only honest peoples’ lives.

They dare not confront real criminals or they could end up dead, maimed, or permanently in hiding.

12 posted on 06/09/2018 7:34:33 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: I want the USA back

We have our own Third World country right here in the US.


13 posted on 06/09/2018 7:34:55 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: umgud

“I for one am going “California Compliant”. I’m not going down that road.”

Me too! And FWIW my “featureless rifle” is a lot more comfortable to shoot with the Thordsen stock than it ever was with the collapsable one that it came with. Plus, the Lantac Dragon muzzle brake I replaced the A2 with, actually works and I shoot much better groups with it. And the other plus is that I could do away with the “bullet button.” I know it’s all “useless $hit” but now the Legislature has put itself in a box on the AR.


14 posted on 06/09/2018 7:35:36 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: msrngtp2002

“Why would anyone attempt to comply with California forearms law”

This is the first example I am aware of. Everyone else up and down the state has never given compliance a second thought.

Which should be of enormous concern to politicians, cops and prosecutors throughout the state.


15 posted on 06/09/2018 7:41:35 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: vette6387

Yes, and a CA Compliant rifle can now have a detachable mag. The gun grabbers would have been better off keeping the BB.


16 posted on 06/09/2018 7:51:13 AM PDT by umgud
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To: marktwain
More and more cases of "I did not break the law, the law broke me."
Yet no raids and gun confiscations in known criminal infested areas. Only harmless good old folks.

17 posted on 06/09/2018 7:51:15 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: umgud

The Bullet Button...

First Mandated then Outlawed.

Makes one’s head hurt.


18 posted on 06/09/2018 8:00:10 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: marktwain
Apparently many thought that registering a rifle or pistol as an AW allowed them to delete the hated "bullet button". (It didn't.) So they removed the "bullet button" and they submitted photos to the state of their AWs with conventional magazine release buttons which became full-fledged (and illegal) AWs and therefore couldn't be registered.

Generally this has "only" lead to the confiscation of the rifle, to be destroyed. (And any attached accessories and optics, if the agents are ****s.)

In the farmer's case, he apparently had a room full of bullet-button-less evil-featured ARs, high capacity magazines, suppressors...

The agents hit the jackpot in this case.

19 posted on 06/09/2018 8:01:52 AM PDT by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: marktwain
From the article:Interesting "comment" from the Supreme Court on the Ninth Circus.
20 posted on 06/09/2018 8:18:45 AM PDT by upchuck (The problem: parents doing their careers instead of raising their kids. h/t: Wyrd bið ful aræd)
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