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Can the radicalization of ‘incels’ be stopped? (“involuntary celibate” Toronto van attack)
Canada Globe and Mail ^ | 26 April 2018 | David Futrelle

Posted on 04/28/2018 7:46:35 AM PDT by Drew68

When I learned that the suspect in the Toronto van attack had apparently posted a Facebook message identifying himself as a foot soldier in what he called the “incel rebellion,” I was saddened but not at all surprised. As the keeper of a blog devoted to tracking the culture of misogyny online, I have been watching the “incel” subculture for seven years – and I find its rise in the past several years to be nearly as disturbing as the recent rebirth of the neo-Nazi right.

Incel, as many Canadians have learned this past week, is short for “involuntary celibate,” and is the preferred moniker of a number of mostly young men united by a shared bitterness over their inability to persuade women to sleep with them. They let this fact define their entire lives, and devote much of their time online lashing out at the women who don’t want them – and picking over the supposed flaws in their own appearances that they think render them forever unlovable.

When you combine this sort of anger and self-pity, you often get violence. Four years ago, a man named Elliot Rodger murdered six in Isla Vista, Calif., in an attempt, as he explained in the 137-page manifesto he left behind, to take his “retribution” against women. Incels have embraced “Saint Elliot’” as a martyr and role model – and so, evidently, did Alek Minassian, who hailed “the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger” in his Facebook post.

So is there any way we can prevent more tragedies such as this?

Remarkably, there have been some very patient “normies” – that’s how incels deem average people – who have waded into these hateful spaces in an attempt to convince the obviously damaged incels who inhabit them to seek out the professional help...

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TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alekminassian; incel; incels; johns; mensrights; prostituteclients; punters
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To: Dilbert San Diego
So what is the solution? Official prostitution? But would that even solve the problems of such men, because they would be paying for it

Do you really believe that?

Regards,

21 posted on 04/28/2018 8:42:40 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Drew68

This explains Maxine Waters. Incel incarnate.


22 posted on 04/28/2018 8:46:42 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Wisdom and education are different things. Don't confuse them.)
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To: thoughtomator
It IS a joke - made up by shitposters on 4chan or something similar - but the media doesn’t realize it and is running with it like it’s serious.

The number of posts over at incels.me tells me that while it might've started out as 4Chan shitposting, if enough people think it's real, it is.

Clearly, that forum has given them an outlet.

23 posted on 04/28/2018 8:49:28 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Pardon me...

LOL!

Cuck is not a shorter version of Canuck.

Sorry.

5.56mm


24 posted on 04/28/2018 8:52:42 AM PDT by M Kehoe (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
it’s part of a larger problem of social isolation of too many people.

Add to this the increasingly extended adolescence.

I remember lamenting as a teen all those girls who "have sex with everyone but me!" while being totally oblivious to the other girls who liked me and would've had sex with me had I asked. It was an awkward time, being a teenager.

But this is a teenage problem!

With a 50/50 sex breakdown, if you have reached full-grown manhood and have not yet figured out which women "are in your price range" for the purpose of copulation, something's wrong. By that age, I'd learned which women I have no chance with, but more importantly, which women I did.

25 posted on 04/28/2018 8:56:53 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: CtBigPat
Good luck with that. If you a a drunk, an addict or gay they have lots of help available. An unattractive guy with poor social skills? You're just a pathetic loser who needs to "man up".

For every unattractive guy with poor social skills, there's an unattractive girl with poor social skills.

Turn off the computer, go outside, and find her! You might be surprised how easy it is to just talk to people.

Sure, the next 9 or maybe even 99 women will tell you to get lost but for that one who doesn't, it'll all be worth it.

26 posted on 04/28/2018 9:00:05 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Uhhh. These "incel" guys must be so many standard deviations away from normal that even the most slutty skanks aren't interested.

Comtemporary society is so saturated with casual sex and Tinder hookups that only the most extreme weirdo loser would have this complaint. It is probably made worse by the schizoid way women are portrayed in Leftist media.

On the one hand you have the skanky and cartoonish portrayal of women in video games and TV and movies. At the same time you see the same Left demand that women be treated with "respect", the same respect you'd show toward a minefield.

And yes I believe these weirdos view women as just another "thing", "stuff" if you will, an entertainment center like an iPod or flast screen TV.

27 posted on 04/28/2018 9:00:59 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: CtBigPat
An unattractive guy with poor social skills? You're just a pathetic loser who needs to "man up".

Definitely: See here.

28 posted on 04/28/2018 9:08:42 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Dilbert San Diego

We now have generations of children whose parents gave them everything they wanted when they wanted it. They never learned how to deal with disappointment.


29 posted on 04/28/2018 9:10:23 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Sometimes I think, our schools and too many parents, fail in their jobs, because of this.

as you mention, generations have given their kids everything they wanted, when they wanted.

Schools have relaxed discipline rules. We hear how they give out participation trophies.

We hear how some sports activities for kids don’t even keep score of the games, so that everyone is a winner.

A lot has changed over the years, and not all of it for the better, by any means.


30 posted on 04/28/2018 9:15:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: cardinal4
It's Obamas fault

After 8 long years of Obama’s economic decline and destruction of the middle class guys like this no longer can afford a proper hooker

31 posted on 04/28/2018 9:21:43 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Edward.Fish

Excellent video.


32 posted on 04/28/2018 9:32:09 AM PDT by CtBigPat (I was a Tide Pod addict but I'm clean now.)
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To: beethovenfan
“Why don’t these guys just rent for a night?”

I was thinking the same thing.

The guy had the cash and wherewithal to figure out how to rent a van, so...

33 posted on 04/28/2018 9:36:28 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: Drew68
With a 50/50 sex breakdown, if you have reached full-grown manhood and have not yet figured out which women "are in your price range" for the purpose of copulation, something's wrong. By that age, I'd learned which women I have no chance with, but more importantly, which women I did.

The problem is that so many women would rather "share" a handsome, witty guy, than have a nerd all to herself. It's the 80/20 rule: the top 20% of guys getting 80% of the female attention.

For most of civilization, the vast majority of women needed a husband of their own to support them and their children. This forced women to "settle" for the best they could get who would marry them. Now, women can support themselves through their own jobs, and live the "Sex and the City" lifestyle. At least in their 20's.

Some countries in need of skilled technologists could attract some of these nerds, if they promised them access to reasonably attractive women desirous of a husband who could actually support them. But the countries would have to ensure that the male nerds were not at risk of "divorce rape".

34 posted on 04/28/2018 9:47:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
If you think back to your high school days, roughly 80% of the girls were pursing 20% of the guys.

This is the natural man standard prevalent in many backward cultures and the reason Islam and pre-Columbian Native Americans allowed men to have up to four wives.

They dealt with the surplus of men by wars, slavery and turning them into eunuchs or sacrifices. That's the harsh reality.

Christianity, with its roots in another civilized religion (Judaism), brought in two new concepts called monogamy and spiritually training people in overcoming the natural man. It also normalized it by making male and female equal in the sight of God but with different and distinct roles in the family. This is why the Left is so anxious to undermine the family concept and turn the clock back by making the concept of monogamy and family fit that of the natural man.

One symptom is the Left's energetic push to appoint judges who are hostile to the traditional Judeo-Christian family unit. Four members of our Supreme Court fit that mold perfectly whereas two (Kennedy and Roberts) will drift into that territory often.

35 posted on 04/28/2018 9:54:47 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Drew68

Have heard of the “MGTOW” movement, but not of “incels”. The “MGTOW” (stands for “Men Going their own way”) is about men that have given up on pursuing women though, not necessarily those who can’t get them. More like they aren’t willing to do what it takes to. I don’t know a lot about them, but from what I have see the MGTOW are bitter and anti-woman enough. If the “incels” are real and not a hoax/satire then they sound like extreme MGTOW’s to me.


36 posted on 04/28/2018 10:08:25 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Drew68

I’m calling this BS...


37 posted on 04/28/2018 10:09:31 AM PDT by exPBRrat (.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I think SNL was ahead of their time....

Girl Watcher #1: Oh, yes!

Girl Watcher #2: Yes, indeed!

Girl Watcher #1: 49th and First. Excellent corner for scoping out the babes!

Girl Watcher #2: You said a mouthful!

Girl atcher #1: Whoa! Stop the presses! [ points at woman approaching ]

Girl Watcher #2: What have we here?

Girl Watcher #1: Hel-lo! [ the woman walks past without even blinking ] Good-bye..

Girl Watcher #2: Oh, yes.

Girl Watcher #1: Not interested in me at all.

Girl Watcher #2: No reaction whatsoever.

Girl Watcher #1: You know it, brother. Way too pretty for this hombre.

Girl Watcher #2: Yeah.. Oh, boy.. here comes another live one.

Girl Watcher #1: Mama mia!

Girl Watcher #2: Hel-lo! [ the woman walks past without even blinking ] Good-bye.

Girl Watcher #1: Oh, yeah.

Girl Watcher #2: Out of my league.

Girl Watcher #1: Mine, too.

Girl Watcher #2: Boy.. wouldn’t give me the time ‘o day.

Girl Watcher #1: Well, lookie here!

Girl Watcher #2: Oh.. me likes what me sees.

Girl Watcher #1: Good evening. [ the woman walks past without even blinking ] And good night.

Girl Watcher #2: Yow! Not even eye contact.

Girl Watcher #1: The ladies just don’t like me.

Girl Watcher #2: To say the least.

Girl Watcher #1: My face is just too wide.

Girl Watcher #2: Yeah, and my hairline can’t be helping, either.

Girl Watcher #1: I’d be hurt and disappointed if it didn’t happen so often.

Girl Watcher #2: So true.

Girl Watcher #1: Whoa! Babe alert!

Girl Watcher #2: Oh, yes. [ the woman walks past without even blinking ] Oh, no..

Girl Watcher #1: Like we didn’t even exist.

Girl Watcher #2: Completely indifferent.

Girl Watcher #1: Yes.

Girl Watcher #2: She wasn’t even that attractive. But still out of my reach. A sad comment on my life.

Girl Watcher #1: Yours and mine both. The good Lord gave me this body, and there ain’t no changing it now.

Girl Watcher #2: A-men!

Girl Watcher #1: Yeah, this ol’ head’s just way out of proportion for this body.

Girl Watcher #2: And these eyebrows come together in the most unappealing way.

Girl Watcher #1: Tru-ly sad.

Girl Watcher #2: Okay, here we go. Bottom of the ninth, two outs, full count.

Together: Strike Three!

Girl Watcher #2: So, we are out!

Girl Watcher #1: Why did we even try? We have little sense of fashion, and we can’t even lure them weith money.

Girl Watcher #2: No way. We’ve got low-paying jobs with no hope for advancement.

Girl Watcher #1: And worse yet, I make poor conversation.

Girl Watcher #2: I.. hear ya!

Other Girl Watcher: [ walks up ] Hey, excuse me, fellas, but this is my corner!

Girl Watcher #1: No problem, amigo. We were just calling it quits.

Other Girl Watcher: No luck?

Girl Watcher #2: You know it.

Other Girl Watcher: I’d make fun of you guys, but I am just one sad sack myself.

Girl Watcher #1: Small consolation.

Girl Watcher #2: Oh, yeah.

[ the first two Girl Watchers exit the scene ]

Other Girl Watcher: Let the games commence!


38 posted on 04/28/2018 10:15:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Vigilanteman
They dealt with the surplus of men by wars, slavery and turning them into eunuchs or sacrifices. That's the harsh reality. Christianity, with its roots in another civilized religion (Judaism), brought in two new concepts called monogamy and spiritually training people in overcoming the natural man. It also normalized it by making male and female equal in the sight of God but with different and distinct roles in the family. This is why the Left is so anxious to undermine the family concept and turn the clock back by making the concept of monogamy and family fit that of the natural man.

Anyone who doesn't see how the elite are pushing for this in modern society are just plain blind. There's a reason that a normal guy now simply can't afford to go on vacations every summer like his analog in the `50s or `60s could. There's a reason that Millennials hate when Boomers give their when I was your age I could work a job over the summer and pay for college [implying the Millennials are unwilling to even get a job] or the attitude that the reason you're unemployed is because you aren't looking [as if you could go outside, turn over a rock, and *BAM!* there's a job].

The whole STEM shortage is a good example of Fake News; it's not that there's a shortage, it's that the companies are increasingly unwilling to pay a good wage, opting for H1B fraud instead [and, incidentally, lowering the average wages].

39 posted on 04/28/2018 10:17:15 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Drew68

The unattractive girl with poor social skills can get an occasional date from guys who have no better options some night, and will likely prefer that occasional attention over attention from some guy who is just as unattractive as she is.


40 posted on 04/28/2018 10:20:05 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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