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Leftism/Progressivism, whatever you want to call it, is Satanic in nature and methodology. It originates from the same impulse that was attributed to Satan's downfall, and the original sin of Adam and Eve. It is the sin of hubris, pride, self-centeredness and a lack of gratitude for what God had already given them. It was their pride and self-centeredness that led them to be ungrateful and to feel that God had cheated them. They thought that they knew better than God on what they should do and have. They then considered themselves to be not only as smart as God, but also that they should have unlimited resources (like God), and that they were as incorruptible as God. They would not honor God or be thankful for what He had given to them (Romans 1:21).

America's Founding Fathers were heavily influenced by the Judeo-Christian worldview, and realized that nobody was all-wise, incorruptible, or had unlimited resources. As a result, they constructed a government that sought to check and balance anyone's attempt to put themselves in a position to be an authoritarian ruler. Leftists and Progressives believe that they are better than the rest of humanity, both morally and intellectually, and so they should be given authoritarian powers. Their proud egos don't believe in the doctrine of total depravity and original sin. As a result, they are bitter that they don't yet have complete power to impose their will on people and create a utopian heaven on earth. They are ungrateful for the current American system of governance and want to "fundamentally transform" it.

Goldberg and Sexton are close when they talk about ingratitude, but the underlying problem is sin and Leftists' proud inflated sense of self. Leftists are inordinately proud and thus are ungrateful people. That is also why they have no problem engendering envy, resentment and hate in order to motivate more of their voters, even though Leftists know that promoting these vices is harmful to America and to the individuals that they stir up. Leftists, Progressives, Elitists, Democrats, whatever you want to call them, truly are satanic in nature and in their methodology. Saul Alinsky was correct to dedicate his Rules for Radicals to Lucifer.

1 posted on 04/16/2018 3:17:44 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA
Well said DeweyCA! I'd rather read your book.
2 posted on 04/16/2018 3:27:35 PM PDT by donna (Show yourself Senator McCain. We need proof of life!)
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To: DeweyCA

And the Never Trumper Goldberg - a product of nepotism and who apparently has never seen a bathtub or shampoo in his life - has contributed to the suicide of the west.


3 posted on 04/16/2018 3:28:08 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: DeweyCA

James Burnham wrote the same book back in the early 60s or late 50s


4 posted on 04/16/2018 3:28:37 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: DeweyCA

“future of liberal-Democratic capitalism”

It has no future.

Representative republic, theocracy, or fascism. Take your pick.


5 posted on 04/16/2018 3:30:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: DeweyCA

Include ‘Jealousy’


9 posted on 04/16/2018 3:52:09 PM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: DeweyCA

I wonder how much Goldberg borrowed from James Burnham’s essay called Suicide of the West from more than 50 years ago:

https://www.amazon.com/Suicide-West-Meaning-Destiny-Liberalism/dp/087000056X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1523919387&sr=8-3&keywords=suicide+of+the+west


10 posted on 04/16/2018 3:57:30 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: DeweyCA
Well, Dewey, I appreciate your analysis of Goldberg's premise. However, my take on your differing path is one of a distinction without much of a difference. When you remark,
"Goldberg and Sexton are close when they talk about ingratitude, but the underlying problem is sin and Leftists' proud inflated sense of self. Leftists are inordinately proud and thus are ungrateful people.", it seems to me that you are artfully embellishing Goldberg's stance, id est, ingratitude and ungrateful being on the same side of the coin.

Goldberg's viewpoint is that we live in a miracle about to be unwound by base, tribal, human nature. Your stance that we live in godless times with our Judaeo-Christian heritage being systematically suppressed, while accurate, doesn't seem out of line with Goldberg.

If I had read Goldberg's words without knowing the author, they would still ring a note of veracity, even though they were scripted by a disingenuous Never Trumper.

13 posted on 04/16/2018 4:06:39 PM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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If Destruction Be Our Lot

Fifty years ago, National Review founding editor James Burnham wrote Suicide of the West: An Essay on the Meaning and Destiny of Liberalism, a book that brilliantly examines the role of modern liberalism in reconciling the West to its geopolitical retreat. Like all of Burnham's books, Suicide of the West combines elegant writing, historical insight, unsentimental political analysis, and an unmatched understanding of power in all its forms. It was Burnham's last book (other than a collection of columns entitled The War We Are In, published in 1967), and it deserves to be remembered as one of the 20th-century's great works of political analysis. ...

Burnham labels liberalism a Weltanschauung, or worldview, a system of belief based on what ought to be instead of what is and has been. At its most fundamental, liberalism is based on an abstract, rationalist view of human nature. Liberals hold that human nature is not fixed but changeable, that humans are perfectible and their potentialities unlimited, that reason can govern the affairs of men, and that human progress is inevitable. In the liberal worldview principles, customs, and religion are obstacles to human progress, not evidence of human nature's essence and limitations. For liberals, there is no evil, no social problem, no disagreement or conflict that cannot be overcome by their enlightened ideology.

I highly recommend Burnham's work. Can't say the same for Goldberg's.

14 posted on 04/16/2018 4:07:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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Mass immigration = suicide of the West. Tribalism is just the natural product.


15 posted on 04/16/2018 4:07:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: DeweyCA

America is a product of Protestantism. As Protestantism has been undermined and supplanted so has America and the entire West.


16 posted on 04/16/2018 4:17:50 PM PDT by Tom in SFCA
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To: DeweyCA

The general thesis sounds correct, but Jonah is such a rabid Never Trumper, I wonder how much that has polluted the book. Surely it works against his perspective insofar as he can’t see the Trump movement as a last best hope to win it back for another generation.


21 posted on 04/16/2018 5:02:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DeweyCA
Jonah's no James Burnham.

Maybe Burnham wasn't either (people don't talk about him much lately).

If you say, we have to be strong to fight this external threat, you may get a positive response in some places and maybe change things, but if you say we have to resist all manner of internal weaknesses and self-indulgences that could eventually destroy our society, few people will listen.

If you have an economy based on consumption and self-indulgence, it's hard to tell people that they should restrain themselves when others don't.

23 posted on 04/16/2018 5:12:56 PM PDT by x
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To: DeweyCA

ping for later reading


24 posted on 04/16/2018 5:17:32 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: DeweyCA
So where are the Right-leaning students who will stick the Left Wing rioters up against a wall and belt them on the nose? Oh, of course they have been told that is bad behavior and they must not do it. Disarm your opponent ahead of the fight. The Right are the idiots because THEY DO NOT FIGHT BACK.
29 posted on 04/16/2018 5:38:23 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: DeweyCA
Leftism/Progressivism, whatever you want to call it, is Satanic in nature and methodology. It originates from the same impulse that was attributed to Satan's downfall, and the original sin of Adam and Eve.

This could be repeated unto infinity, and it wouldn't be enough. This is absolutely, unequivocally true. Socialism is from Satan. It's his best way of fighting back against God.

31 posted on 04/16/2018 6:22:47 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: DeweyCA

The West isnt committing suicide, it is being murdered by the left. The left is obsessed with implementing Communism, an economic system that fails and results in mass murder every time it’s tried. The prosperity of the West is fueled by Capitalism and this system must fail in order to get people to demand a new system. In other words the left is doing everything they can to disrupt Western civ to convince people that the current system doesnt work. Once that is accomplished people will be willing to accept communism as a replacement.


32 posted on 04/16/2018 6:37:03 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: DeweyCA

FU JG.


33 posted on 04/17/2018 1:27:48 AM PDT by Bulldaddy
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To: DeweyCA

I like Jonah Goldberg and I like the premise of conservatism as gratitude. Sure wish he’d snap out of his anti-Trumpism tho.


35 posted on 04/17/2018 1:55:58 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: DeweyCA

“Free trade” and offshoring are destroying capitalism and wealth of the USA and creating debt.


37 posted on 04/17/2018 3:53:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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