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Syria 'chemical attack': Trump pledges 'forceful' US response
bbc.com ^ | April 10, 2018 | BBC

Posted on 04/10/2018 12:53:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Socon-Econ

The cold hard fact is. Putin is KGB trained.

From spy poisonings to Syria antics - there is a reason for both the timing and methods.

But ok trust the KGB guy!


41 posted on 04/10/2018 6:47:30 AM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: greeneyes; Blue Collar Christian
A long response to greeneyes suggestion:

It's worth pointing out the disinformation sowing/pinning chemical attacks on rebels is basic, common Russian practice stretching back long before this particular one to when Putin first got involved in the region.

The confusion itself...even on our part, is often the goal. Russian KGB experts, claim that antics like this in Syria (and spy poisonings like the one in UK) act as tests of our reactions and are timed accordingly.

They have two goals:

1) Incite a response from us, knowing full well we won't do anything too crazy for fear of nuclear war.

2) Which then incites a response from the Russian public. Putin relies on Russia's 'besieged fortress' mentality for legitimacy. (I have lived there, just after Crimea debacle. I see how dredging up Anti-Western, Anti-American sentiment works.)

So in Syria's case:

* The Kremlin wants to see how Trump would respond, given his pullout commitment. Then, Nikki Haley's UN speech accusing Russia replays over and over on State TV on the evening news. And the idea is: USA declaring war on Russia.

* The Skirpal spy poisoning in the U.K. - was timed just before Putin's election, and just after the Olympics doping fiasco.

All of this is: “...part of the psychological war of Russia and the West and its own compatriots." According to Russian KGB expert and author of "The FSB Blows Up Russia" Ilya Milshteyn has this to say about the Skirpal spy poisoning. (But it applies to Syria antics too!)

The Kremlin’s latest murderous attack had both foreign and domestic goals. “It is not excluded,” he says, that Moscow wanted to test the personality of the British prime minister who had to be forced to pursue the Litvinenko case but now is prepared to be more forceful, something that in this case fits in with the Kremlin’s plans."

And then Milshteyn gets to the heart of the matter: “Life in a besieged fortress,” he says, “is filled with enthusiasm when the enemy it shooting at it. But a fortress which everyone has forgotten about … is a sad spectacle.” To ensure that attacks keep coming, the master of that fortress must continue to launch attacks of various kinds in order to get a reaction.

"Putin wants to orchestrate “a permanent Caribbean crisis” and he thinks that the West will ultimately fold “out of fear of a nuclear..."

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2018/03/unlike-in-litvinenko-case-putin-wanted.html?m=1

42 posted on 04/10/2018 7:03:12 AM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

So there you have it- pick your bad guy. CIA who has spent decades disrupting, agitating, and toppling Regimes using false flags etc. A plan to topple all these governments in the Middle East that was exposed years ago, by using terrorists. A plan that deep state players seem to be desperate to happen - I guess so they can escape justice.

Or everyone’s favorite villain Putin. Certainly not a dumb guy when it comes to the Spy business - IIRC, he trained in East Germany, GRU and speaks really good German. Likely understands the western mind very well. Caple of any thing. The guy that went out of his way to defeat HRC and put Trump in office. Pick your poison.


43 posted on 04/10/2018 7:27:02 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Someone please explain to me why the US is involved in Syria. I don't understand why it's in the our best national interests to keep shedding blood and money for that shit-hole country.

There are so many players fighting for supremacy in that nothing nation: Assad; anti-Assad rebels; jihadists ISIS; Russia; Iran; Turkey, and the USA.

Personally, I'd rather Russia get a warm water port if we get the frig out of there. So what if they do? They will never attack the USA or allies because of MAD. Even the power-hungry ex-KGB Putin knows that.

I am so tired of watching our youth die and maimed for the Middle East. There was a time we needed to be involved due to oil energy for our standard of living. We now export oil.

I know I'm being simplistic, but why are we fighting over Syria, of all places? If the US wants to be the police of the world and fight for humanitarian reasons, there are plenty in Africa that need our might.

Let Russia (Putin) have Syria and deal with the never-ending wars of the ME. We still have our Tridents and he and the entire world knows it!!!

44 posted on 04/10/2018 7:48:54 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: greeneyes
"The guy that went out of his way to defeat HRC and put Trump in office."

That's a joke, right? If not, how could you possibly know what Putin's mindset was/is? Must be cool to read minds. What am I thinking as I write this? Wrong, not about Russia, nor about what for breakfast tomorrow. Tell me what I'm thinking at 7:57am PST.

45 posted on 04/10/2018 7:57:38 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Yes it was a joke, and a sarcastic one at that.


46 posted on 04/10/2018 8:53:06 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: jobim
I agree. Among fake or at least highly questionable news stories, two topics keep recurring: "Russians" and "Assad."

After Bushe's lies about Iraq and WMD, I do not believe the stories about Assad, especially since they make no sense. There is too much of a push to get us into another war, something that will hurt this country and Trump.

47 posted on 04/10/2018 9:05:01 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: A Navy Vet

Someone please explain to me why the US is involved in Syria.
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GREED - HRC and accomplices make money from toppling a leader, installing a puppet leader who signs leases for whatever natural resources, money, etc. Runs it through the Clinton Foundation. Same play book as they used in Bosnia with Marc Rich. Watch the video below for about 15 or 20 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95HbFpQckI

In addition, from a geo political stand point they can build a pipeline through Syria. Notice Putin did not interfere with the other wars? Putin will do all he can to keep this port and make sure that any oil in a pipeline will be Russian not Saudi.


48 posted on 04/10/2018 9:43:57 AM PDT by greeneyes
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No reason or logic for Assad to use chemical weapons .......so I don’t think he did. He has won the war and all the factions are desperate for the US to hit him....STAY OUT US...it is fake fake fake....


49 posted on 04/10/2018 10:19:23 AM PDT by TnTnTn
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To: Morpheus2009

It could be a number of things.
A) Russian attack over US Sanctions—to humble Trump and get him involved.
B) Iran to get Trump so involved he will not cancel the nuke treaty.
C) A Rebel group—killed there own people to get the USA to get into the war to get the USA to enter the war on their side. Would they the lose some children to win the war? Yes.
D) Turkey To get Russians out of Syrian War so they could take over.


50 posted on 04/10/2018 10:36:06 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Thanks for that. I just don’t get why politicians keep pushing it as if Assad is the only possible party here. I mean poison gas isn’t as restrictive to make as say, a nuclear weapon.


51 posted on 04/10/2018 12:10:18 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Disgusting and Demonic behavior by this government still firmly entrenched in the swamps of chicken hawks and their armament makers.


52 posted on 04/11/2018 6:02:48 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

53 posted on 04/11/2018 6:51:13 AM PDT by WisconsinRep
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To: eleni121

Up to now I think Trump knows that and is working his own “Art of the Deal” on the on the Deep State that is working world wide to get him out of office, or make him completely ineffective, or assassinate him.

IMHO, Putin, Xi Jinping and Trump know the score with the bankers and corporations that stand to profit from what they are trying to trigger.


54 posted on 04/11/2018 8:11:57 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Socialism is for losers.)
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