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Minnesota Permit Carrier with .357, Shoots &Wounds Armed Robber
Ammoland ^ | 29 March, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/03/2018 2:34:31 PM PDT by marktwain

Elderly Old Man Hands Revolver

At about 5:30 p.m. on Thursday, 22 March, 2018, in St. Paul, Minnesota, a 39-year-old man arranged to meet a man to purchase an iPhone X. The “sale” turned out to be a pretext for an armed robbery. One report says the “seller” stuck a gun in the side of the would-be buyer, then robbed him as he was counting out $500 for the purchase.

The meeting was arranged on Facebook.  From cbslocal.com:

Police say a suspect is in custody after a permit-to-carry holder in St. Paul shot him during an armed robbery.

According to St. Paul Police, it happened at around 5:30 p.m. Thursday on the 1100 block of Rice Street. Kendrick Johnterious Maddox, 18, had arranged to sell an iPhone X via Facebook and was meeting with the buyer. When the man was counting out the cash, police say Maddox pulled out a gun and took the money.

The would-be buyer had a carry permit and a .357 revolver.  He drew his revolver and fired at the armed robbery suspect. Accounts do not say how many times he fired. One online commenter claimed the victim fired three times, citing listening to news stories. The victim fired at least once and hit the suspect in the foot. The suspect fled. A man matching the description turned up at a local hospital for a gunshot wound. From twincities.com:

The buyer began counting out $500, when the seller pulled a firearm and robbed him. The buyer pulled his own .357 revolver and shot the man, who ran away.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; minnesota; mn; postedseveraltimes; selfdefense
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To: Mariner
99% one shot stops. 80+% fatalities. 60 years of data.

Shot placement, not caliber is the real key.

This instance is a case in point.

21 posted on 04/03/2018 3:43:54 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: DaveA37
.357 makes a BIG HOLE in one’s foot. Bet that would be robber will be limping for a while, if he doesn’t lose his foot.

I don't think a .357 hole in the foot heals (or was it a .38 fired from a .357?), at least not with all bones present. I imagine the surgeon will remove a hundred bone slivers and this thug will limp for life plus be permanently slow. I'm okay with that, although I wish the victim had been a better aim.

22 posted on 04/03/2018 3:47:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: marktwain

. 357 can’t beat it.


23 posted on 04/03/2018 4:14:54 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: Lurker

There are fast burning powders, like Bullseye and Red Dot, that might work out better in a snubbie.


24 posted on 04/03/2018 4:23:00 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Lurker

I’m considering purchasing a revolver.

What would you suggest?


25 posted on 04/03/2018 4:31:25 PM PDT by Ueriah
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To: Lurker

.357 Magnum. The gun that cooks and kills.


26 posted on 04/03/2018 4:37:50 PM PDT by Nachoman (Following victory, its best to reload.)
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To: SgtHooper

Oh and that’s not racist? All Irishmen are drunks?
He needs to resign tomorrow :)


27 posted on 04/03/2018 4:43:53 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“Shot placement, not caliber is the real key. “

Cops are less accurate with 9’s and 40’s?

Maybe so. All their training today centers around speed.

For good reason.


28 posted on 04/03/2018 4:53:07 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Ueriah
Ruger or S&W. If you want a light weight snubbie stick with .38 Special.

If you go with one of those 158 or 125 gr ammo will have pretty heavy recoil.

Just bought 90'gr Hornady Critical Defense Lite for Mom and Dad's S&W.

Very manageable recoil.

29 posted on 04/03/2018 4:55:47 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: marktwain

Aim for center of mass next time.


30 posted on 04/03/2018 5:36:44 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: marktwain

In this case 357 tops 500.


31 posted on 04/03/2018 5:37:59 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Eagles6

Thank you very much!

Was looking at the Governor but at your recommendation I’ll start with something a little lighter first.


32 posted on 04/04/2018 4:30:44 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: Mariner

My 1st handgun was a 586.

.357 Mag is no joke.


33 posted on 04/04/2018 5:46:59 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: Mariner

My 1st handgun was a 586.

.357 Mag is no joke.


34 posted on 04/04/2018 5:47:00 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: SirLurkedalot

Whoops


35 posted on 04/04/2018 5:51:39 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: MplsSteve

——Johnterious-—

Very bad Latin


36 posted on 04/04/2018 5:55:33 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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To: Lurker

Dan Wesson with the snubbie is a warm and fuzzy little ball of fire every time! I have stuck with the 125 XTPs for consistency as the 110s are not available as much. I fell in love with Winchester 231 at 7.5 grains. It chronos out between 1150 and 1200 fps everytime with a respectable report and very manageable recoil for me. Its not near as messy as Unique. Any more power or weight with the snubbie and she starts to twist and buck and spit more fire. Reducing the barrel to cylinder clearance from .005” to .003” will cut down on the cylinder flaring a bit more but requires closer attention to detail and a bit more cleaning to keep things running smoothly. It also makes every round fired more consistent to the last. Thats right when I stopped messing with the load/setup and started using it for everyday carry.

My dad had this pistol pack set up for long range silhouette shooting when it was big last century. Then the lady set neglected for a long while. The snubbie was never even used until I started carrying it a few years back. Its harder to make little tiny bullets shoot as accurately as the 158 and 180gr bullets. 1 1/2” barrel is not much rifling purchase compared to 6 or 8” barrel. And the fireball never actually touches your hands but it does take a little getting used to.

I love the little lady in this configuration. Small, light, very concealable, everyday carry revolver that still packs a wallop!


37 posted on 04/04/2018 6:37:56 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: Mariner
Cops are less accurate with 9’s and 40’s?

Maybe so. All their training today centers around speed.

You miss the point.

It doesn't matter what caliber you're carrying.

Shooting someone in the foot will almost never result in a life-threatening wound, no matter whether you're shooting a 9mm, .40, .45 or, in this instance, .357 magnum.

You be the fastest gun in the west, but it won't make any difference if you can't hit your intended target.

38 posted on 04/04/2018 6:52:25 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Ueriah
Don't bother with .410/45LC. Nothing wrong with the .45 Long Colt but the .410 shot shell out of the rifled barrel has very poor accuracy past about 5 yds.

Just novelties in my opinion.

.44 Mag or .357 Mag are great but too heavy recoil for a lightweight gun and you lose any velocity gain with the short barrel.

With those calibers you'll be happier with an steel frame and at least a 4" barrel.

39 posted on 04/04/2018 8:28:18 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Ueriah

I’d suggest you look at used .357 magnum revolvers from reputable manufacturers. There’s a wide variety of sizes to fit every hand. Find one that fits you well, have it looked at by a competent gunsmith, and then test fire it if possible.

The nice thing about a .357 is it can chamber the .38 Spl cartridge too.

Sorry but that’s about the best I can do. There are dozens and dozens of choices so without knowing anything about you I can’t give any meaningful advice.

Good luck.

L


40 posted on 04/04/2018 8:37:00 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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