Secession is the off ramp away from tyranny.
Posted on 03/23/2018 2:46:33 PM PDT by A Cyrenian
After today's fiasco, changes are needed. United States cannot afford this nonsense.
There's too much waste and greed for things to continue as is.
Congress has shown time and time again that it's out of control.
This country needs to clean up it's act and either give the sitting President the power of a line item veto. Or send the government addicts home after 2 terms.
What do you think?
Also, end federal government pensions now!
Each one of us is suppose to receive equal representation. However, because of the committee system that both houses have established the congesscritters with more seniority end up being more equal than others.
This leads to voters continuing to reelect doddering fools and unethical criminals again and again. Seniority = Better Committee Assignments = More money going back to the states and districts represented by these felons.
Voters either can vote their conscience or vote for the scumbag most likely to bring pork and jobs back to them.
If we forced congress to reorganize so that all congresscritters had the same authority, then voters wouldn't have to make this Hobson's choice. Term limits would happen automatically as swamp critters would no longer be reelected automatically.
I hope you realize that both of your proposals require amending the Constitution.
We’re in a post constitutional period in America. The rule of law is dead. That should scare everyone reading this.
BOTH!
Thomas Jefferson Quote: “The government you elect is the government you deserve.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Term_Limits,_Inc._v._Thornton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_New_York
Term limits are the worst idea ever.
After watching the unelected, permanent, bureaucratic deep state in Washington DC for the last 18 months attempt to throw the election to Hillary Clinton and attack Trump - you want to term-limit the only part of government that can be changed - our elected representatives?
How about term-limits on every government agency and official above GS-15 instead?
the SCOTUS declared the line item veto unconstitutional
Who gives a sh!t what SCROTUS declared?
Both! Term Limits AND Recall, for each and every level of politician AND judge! Plus, Pension Reforms that include no payment of money AND pensions for present AND past politicians, at the same time, whenever there are problems with the movement of legislation as well as other incompetent activities that involve Congress! Repeat, for all of the fifty state legislatures! Ditto, all U.S. city governments!
Who you talking to? Zero percent chance of either. Waste of time.
As a wise man said 3 years ago, we need a convention of the states to hold Nuremberg-style treason trials and hangings on the national mall.
Since the passage of the 17A, the House and the Senate are-with a couple of exceptions-essentially the same thing.
The Senate was originally to be a brake on the House by bringing states interest into the legislative process.
Now the Senate is simply a smaller and less responsive version of the H of R.
We don't need both.
Why not both?
May I quote Alexander Hamilton:
[This is an excerpt from Federalist No. 28]It's not just the "representatives of the people" now but EVERYONE WHO SUCKS ON THE PUBLIC TEAT.If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.
The obstacles to usurpation and the facilities of resistance increase with the increased extent of the state, provided the citizens understand their rights and are disposed to defend them. The natural strength of the people in a large community, in proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny. But in a confederacy the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized!
ML/NJ
BOTH!!
Secession is the off ramp away from tyranny.
As another FReeper has pointed out, line-item veto would require amending the Constitution. This because the Constitution allows the president only to pass a bill by either signing it or basically ignoring it, or to veto a bill (1.7.2).
And regardless if the states decided to amend the Constitution to give the president the specific power to line item veto, consider that most federal domestic spending is unconstitutional anyway, post-17th Amendment ratification career lawmakers wrongly authorizing most federal domestic spending to buy votes from low-information voters imo.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
So instead of giving the president the express constitutional power to line item veto, the states should do the job right and repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments (16&17A) imo.
"Or send the government addicts home after 2 terms."
As a side note about term limits, please consider the following.
Beware that when both the president and Congress are corrupt, as evidenced by the former lawless Obama Administration and the uniparty Congress that we are still stuck with, Congress will let a last term, corrupt president get away with stealing and exercising state powers to do all the unconstitutional things that Congress probably wants to steal and do with those powers.
In other words, by letting a last term president do Congress’s dirty work for it, career lawmakers are able to protect their voting records.
And by protecting their voting records, corrupt lawmakers are able to fool low-information voters, voters who have probably never been taught about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers as the Founding States intended for those powers to be understood, into reelecting them.
So patriots and their state lawmakers need to reconsider the 22nd Amendment imo, which established term limits on the president, especially if the states wake up and repeal 16&17A.
Remember, Pres. Trump was unelectable.
Not getting either without a constitutional amendment
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