Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

The Hill ^

[RevelationDavid]

President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

[Garth Tater]

You're getting a little loose with the facts of your argument there SafetyBeforeFreedom.

Your original post made no mention of imminent danger requiring self defense and in fact you state that you have time to "call the cops" when gramps decides not to give you his guns.

Post #106: "If my grand dad loses his mind I will take the guns. If he refuses I will call the cops and expect them to take them with no due process."

But now your argument includes this new element of imminent danger requiring self defense:
"There is no one on this forum who would not take the guns or call the cops to take the guns when faced with a crazy person with a gun. I have a right to defend and protect myself."

This difference is why your grand dad still has his right to due process before his guns can be taken away. If he was in possession of a weapon and threatening to harm or kill you then yes, your right to self defense does come into effect (as does the police officer's when he comes to investigate) but when you tell us that you would "call the cops" if he refused to give up his guns then no, you are wrong.

[KTM rider]

If someones wife takes another lover and wants to evict her husband, she can get a restraining order (with no basis of fact) she can then invite the police over to take his guns and order him to move out within 30 minutes and stay away. He will then have to get a lawyer and undertake DUE PROCESS to proove there is no basis for the restraining order, then will have to wait until the divorce is final before getting his guns back

So this is already a reality

[Kickass Conservative]

If you can’t get a Gun, you can always get something else.

Would we having this discussion if the Perp used a Car or Truck to run over and kill a bunch of Kids in the School Crosswalk?

Would we be talking about Background Checks to buy a Car, to rent a Car, to lease a Car or to borrow a Car?

Would the Auto Club be blamed?

What if the Perp threw a Molotov Cocktail into a Classroom and burned those Kids to death like Bill Clinton and Janet Reno did in WACO?

No more glass Bottles, no Gasoline, no Rags, no Fire?

Maybe they can try and Outlaw the combination of Evil and Human Ingenuity. I’m sure that would be effective.

[dadfly]

bad idea, Mr. President. please enforce the existing laws to the hilt. then stop.

[LOVETRUMP]

President Trump, you are wrong!!! IS THIS A JOKE?

[WayneS]

Perhaps I should have left the word democrat out of my post and only use the word liberal. After all, there is how one registers to vote and then there is how one acts, what one says, and to whom one gives one’s political donations.

And still, I am holding out hope that Mr. Trump will walk all this anti-gun, anti-Constitution stuff back and return to the right path - but I am no longer certain he will do the right thing.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Freepers made their bed.

Now they gotta sleep in it.

Advance warning was given early and often.

[ssfromla]

I suspect practically zero percent of the guns used are legal.

Yes you are correct and I know that every perso reading this knows of their local or state police finding guns used in crimes that had previously been taken off the streets and somehow miraculously got out of their lockup and sold to criminals.

Also everyone here knows about fast and furious where our government sold guns and put them on the streets in the hands of gangs and other lawless criminals.

(Just like in Florida they know who the baddies are but they will not take them out because they are all in it with the elites to DISARM AMERICANS)

The lawlessness in this country is not from law abiding citizens. They're from evil people that need to be locked away. They will never abide by laws.

The elites in this country are after your guns and your ability to protect yourselves.

Don't let them sell you on the old and tired lie that the police will help you. The police are there only for cleaning up the aftermath. They're too busy going after the almighty dollar.

[trebb]

Kind of funny how folks say so many should have taken positive action against the shooter now find reason to say that positive action that would have stopped the shootings is illegal/unconstitutional - irony at its very finest.

The law is an ass and it was made so by those who think the mentally ill should walk among us and be ignored because it's illegal to harass them by detaining them for more than very short periods if they are capable of saying "I don't want to be her"....

[TTFlyer]

And you are a gun-grabbing cuck.

[SJackson]

Thanks. There appears to be a long way to go for comprehensive reporting, but they present a good framework for what needs to be fixed. Of course many on the left come down against this for “privacy” concerns.

[metmom]

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

NO.

Because we all know how that's going to end up.

We've seen it already.

Taking that kids guns would not have stopped him.

There are other methods of dealing with people who are threat to society and those should have been followed.

[windowdude]

Isn’t this the same argument as going after terrorists before they have a chance to act?

This kid definitely applied.

[windowdude]

Yep...just like we would for anyone about to commit an act of terror.

[RitchieAprile]

I saw this coming. Trump was a AWB fan in the 90’s.

People who mistook Trump for a conservative were indeed mistaken.

[windowdude]

See: Broward County Promise Program

In a round about way, it was planned.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/how_federal_funding_kept_nikolas_cruz_from_getting_arrested_and_unable_to_purchase_firearms.html

[VictoryGal]

>I am with Trump on this one. There is no one on this forum who would not take the guns or call the cops to take the guns when faced with a crazy person with a gun. I have a right to defend and protect myself.

With a screen name of “FreedomNotSafety”, I’m surprised you don’t see the problem with seizing the property of the “mentally ill”.

You only need to take a look at the Left labeling anyone who is for gun rights and Conservative values as “mentally ill” to see how it would be a disaster to throw away due process and seizing not just property but Constitutionally protected property from the hands of someone deemed “crazy” by the government.

[RevelationDavid]

I believe There is sufficient pushback (watchdog) from of the NRA and the millions of gunowners… that insure the “fuzzy gray area”… of due process used to take the gun of a “crazy person” will not ever begin to seep into our second amendment rights.

[windowdude]

Me too. This thread does show how tenuous Trump support is among some posters here.

[Cheerio]

What part about returning power to the States do you not like? The District of Corruption is run for and by the Elites in DC. If the 17th Amendment is repealed and some of Mark Levin's proposed amendments were to be passed and enacted the elites in DC would have absolutely NO say in stopping it. I suggest everyone pick up a copy of “THE LIBERTY AMEDMENTS” if you are serious about preserving this great Constitutional Republic. The elites running this nation will never turn on themselves and the Federal leviathan will continue to grow until it consumes everything in it's path.