Posted on 02/09/2018 7:50:40 AM PST by Red Badger
SAN JOSE (KPIX 5) – The number of people packing up and moving out of the Bay Area just hit its highest level in more than a decade.
Carole Dabak spent 40 years living in San Jose and now she’s part of the mass exodus that is showing no signs of slowing down.
The retired engineer’s packing up and calling it quits about to move to the state of Tennessee.
“I loved it here when I first got here. I really loved it here. But it’s just not the same,” Dabak said.
Of course people come and go from the Bay Area all the time, but for the first time in a long time, more people are leaving the Bay Area than are coming in. And the number one place in the country for out-migration is now, right here.
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Russell Hancock with Joint Venture Silicon Valley said, “Silicon Valley has been this place that is growing. And it was mostly due to people relocating here and relocating from other parts of the world. That’s changing.”
Joint Venture Silicon Valley’s own study of the out-migration says workers are moving to Sacramento, Austin, and Portland due to a number of factors. But topping the list is the high cost of housing.
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“You can’t even contemplate getting into the housing market here,” Hancock said. “And I don’t mean just service workers, but highly skilled professionals. The tech elite are having a hard time affording reasonable housing in Silicon Valley. That makes it difficult for employers to recruit.”
Operators of a San Jose U-Haul business say one of their biggest problems is getting its rental moving vans back because so many are on a one-way ticket out of town.
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Dabak cites crowding, crime and politics as the reasons for her own exodus.
“We don’t like it here anymore. You know, we don’t like this sanctuary state status and just the politics,” she said.
She plans to sell her home for about $1 million, buy a much larger place near Nashville for less than half that and retire closer to family and friends.
There are reasonable prices (comparatively) along the coast oceanside and Chula Vista. Lowest from Santa Barbara to the border.
All of our four children and 3 grandchildren live in California. I’m in Oceanside looking at water. We’re staying, for now, been here since 59.
We had the national GOPe cutting the legs off of Tea party candidate Tim Donnelly while forcing Obama clone Neel Kashkari on us as our choice for governor. Anyone paying attention here in Cali said to hell with that fake.
So for all of those blaming us for the disaster that our state has become we can only say that that disaster got a whole lot of encouragement from the GOPe and Bush Republicans. Viva La Raza, Jobs Americans Won’t Do, illegal immigration is An Act of Love. It’s not California conservatives spewing that crap.
I have no idea about all that. But I’d sure hate to make that commute in the winter.
I distinguish them city from the slime. Physically you have the ocean and great views. Unique architecture, Chinatown, what’s left of Little Italy. The sunset district and the beach. Vies, vises, views. The city is amazing to me, but i haven’t been back for 15 years. Liberal ideology and zealots have ruined the experience.
Wonder how much they pay for driving the vans back, and if you need a CDL?
I’m planning to get out as well, but have to stay and care for mom as long as she has.
Yes, Hilary got 4.4 million Republican votes.
And she got 8.7 million Democrat votes.
That is a 2:1 ratio. There just aren’t the raw numbers of registered Republicans living in California to oppose the raw numbers of Registered Democrats.
There at least 7 registered Democrats to every 4 registered Republicans, almost the same 2:1 margin. The Democrats can have a 60% voter turnout and beat a 100% Republican turnout. And when in hell has anyone ever had a 100% turnout. It doesn’t happen.
Hilary didn’t win California because conservatives stayed home. She won CA because there are a crap ton more registered Dem voters than there are registered GOP voters, and it gets worse every single year.
California is completely lost.
The best thing California conservatives can do is to move to “battleground” states and make them solidly GOP states.
Every California conservative wastes their votes in California because we are swamped by the numbers of liberal voters. This will not change until sometime after CA goes bankrupt, and that is a LONG ways away.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Conservatives rely on reason. They reason things through. “Oh, if I don’t want high taxes, I will have to sacrifice some government services and pay for them myself. Hopefully I will be more efficient than the government, and the cost will be reduced and the benefit more meet my needs personally”.
That is how conservatives reason.
Liberals are all emotion and “feeling”. They have no capacity to reason that the services they demand are tied to the costs they pay in taxes. They don’t have the mental facility to reason that through. They just want whatever satisfies their “feelings” to “help” and for “peace” and for “fairness” and “for your own good”.
So they move away from states they can’t afford in, then emotionally they try to recreate all the conditions they like that made the prior state unaffordable, because they have no mental facility to equate why the high taxes follow their demand for “free” services.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. Liberals are emotional who follow their feelings with no powers of reasoning to understand the full impacts of their decisions.
Look at all the liberals who thought Obama had his own personal supply of money to buy them phones and internet service, and none of it came from tax dollars.
Nobody ever said liberals are smart. Low information liberals, of which there are many 10s of millions of them, have no clue that tax rates are tied to the free entitlements they get. No clue whatsoever. In fact, they believe the rich are stealing money from them.
I was in the audience of a council meeting one time when a recent transplant from CA complained about his high water bill. His water bill in his second month was triple his bill of the first month and he wanted to know why. The Board inquired of the water Superintendent of the reason. It seems the man used over three times the water was the reason. The man admitted to watering his new lawn night and day to get it to grow, but still did not figure where that made a difference. The Water Superintendent calmly explained that the bill is higher when more water is used, but the man still did not understand why it went up so much. The Water Superintendent finally explained that his meter reading was higher at ........the man interrupted “YOU METER EACH CUSTOMERS WATER”!
He said “the way we do it where I am from is charge everyone the same”. The bills go up and down with total use divided by number of customers! He was told that is not the way we do it here.
That gave me a good idea of the mindset of the people in CA.
“I don’t claim to love NYC, I love NYC. ... NYS politicians are corrupt no matter what corner of NYS they come from. ... It is a sad situation no matter how you look at it.” [miss marmelstein, post 218]
miss marmelstein’s distinction cannot exist at this level of interaction. Since I cannot see inside her head, I’m attempting to extend the courtesy of not dictating her feelings.
Too true about the corruption, but that has no bearing on the problem. Even if every last living soul in New York was a moral exemplar, I’d refuse to return. Crowding, frustration, noise, and grime would still be present.
It’s not merely corrupt and evil people that are causing difficulties. Do-gooders and other moralizing folks are at least as bad. Worse, possibly: they’ve greater enthusiasm for telling me what to do.
No one is forcing you to return. My post was not in any way meant to persuade you only to explain that I love NYC.
“And one thing you forget: someone who is trying to dismantle Washington, DC ... is from New York City. Stew on that before you entirely condemn that town.” [miss marlmelstein, post 219]
Good intentions and moral superiority by association? President Trump could have been born and brought up anyplace. Just dumb luck that he hails from New York City. It’s not difficult to argue that he’s an aberration.
And I’m not condemning NYC - not for the reasons miss marmelstein has apparently assumed. I used it as an example merely because I had personal experience. Every other American big city I lived in or visited was exactly the same in this regard: never once did I meet anyone who did anything except assume they had the right - absolute, without limit - to tell us rubes from the country what to do. What their politics were had no bearing at all.
What I am saying is that I cannot imagine how the benefits of living in NYC would be worth the costs. That’s a value judgment, and a description of a tradeoff. We all make our own.
Americans are largely deaf to the concept of tradeoffs. Sometimes heroically so. miss marmelstein’s condemnation of DC illustrates the concept, going in the other direction.
Trump is an aberration? You think he’d be president if he was from the Midwest? It is exactly his New York moxie, his Jewish-Queens style of humor, his raw determination in business allied with his savvy ability to hit back hard and fast that has so upset the prissy (and patently fake) sensibilities of Washingtonians. New York made him.
If you think you can argue he is not a product of New York City, you cannot argue about him.
“No one is forcing you to return. ...” [miss marmelstein, post 233]
Wrong.
I may not have been forced to live inside the State of New York, but the state government pursued me in other ways.
I was appointed to a federal service academy (not West Point), but was required by law to pay state income taxes to New York. The law stated that I was not a resident of another state if I was present there in compliance with official orders, and lived in quarters provided by the federal government to military personnel.
The pursuit did not end after I received a commission and was posted to a different state for technical training: I was still there pursuant to official orders, and resided in bachelor officer quarters. In sum, the fact that I had left the State of New York physically and never wanted to return, had no meaning when it came to the greedy urban troglodytes in New York’s government.
After completing training I was assigned to yet another state, for operational duty. The annual tax bill was climbing, so I did everything I was told to, to escape the State of New York: got a local driver’s license, registered my automobile in my new “home state,” changed my voter registration, purchased a home, moved off base, started paying local taxes.
New York State wasn’t done yet.
Someone (we heard it was the Minnesota state government) lobbied the federal government to get it to withhold funds from the pay of military members living in other states. It was claimed that states were losing revenue and military personnel were “unfairly” avoiding paying their “fair share” of state taxes. The feds agreed; accounting & finance began withholding funds from my pay account, sending the money to the State of New York.
Some bureaucratic glitch or other, I was told. Took months to get it stopped; DoD refused to give the money back, insisting it was between me and the State of New York. Over I year later, I had to file a specialized New York State Income Tax return form. My pay was eventually refunded: to my surprise.
Other tyrannical sallies happened courtesy of other states I happened to live in; I heard from many other servicemembers about sundry problems of similar sort, that they had to contend with.
“Trump is an aberration? ...” [miss marmelstein, post 235]
Yes.
He is without doubt a product of New York City, but he is an aberration among New Yorkers, and among the legions of urbanites I have crossed paths with, across the nation and around the globe.
Miss marmelstein ought to stop being so provincial: believing President Trump is the only individual who can solve the nation’s problems is exactly that. But I’m not surprised: every urbanite I’ve ever met thinks that way.
Dismissing fundamental, Constitutionally-protected basic liberties in favor of the perks and pastimes of living in NYC is no more than provincialism.
I couldn’t agree more!
Oh, so you have a personal grudge against the State of New York. I would say: get in line, buddy.
Ok, look at it like this.
We fill a football stadium and tell everyone to get on the field. Then we say, “ everyone that doesn’t want illegals get into the west bleachers”.
And all the people that want to let the illegals in go to the east bleachers.
Okay, all those people in the east bleachers are going to pay for the illegals. All the people running across the field are the liberals.
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