Posted on 01/26/2018 7:28:17 AM PST by deplorableindc
I totally agree, but that is not the reason that I want the report released prior to the Mueller interview. We are engaged in a PR battle with the Dems, Mueller, Deep State, and the MSM. I want the interview (and subsequent leaks by Mueller) to take place in the context of the report, which will show how the FISA process was used to spy on a political opponent, President-elect, an perhaps sitting President. Besides the fact that collusion is not a crime, there has been no evidence to support the basic reason why the investigation was launched in the first place in July 2016. And as far as obstruction of justice is concerned, Trump has the constitutional right to fire anyone he wants.
If Mueller tries to get the President on other crimes not related to Russian collusion or obstruction of justice, e.g., tax evasion, shady real estate deals, etc., then the public will see what the real objective of this witch-hunt was.
I'm thinking ahead a bit and wondering how Rosenstein is going to handle his role when Mueller winds down the SC shop.
I am wondering what this report may disclose about Rosenstein's role in extending the FISA warrant and why Mueller was selected as Special Counsel by him given the obvious conflicts of interest. And since Rosenstein is overseeing the Mueller investigation, why did he allow the appointment of a team that had so many ties to Obama, Clinton, and the Dems?
Wait until 2 months before the election.
Then leak the memo.
If they never leak the memo,
that is worse, leak a fabricated damning fake memo.
Roger Stone we need you!
Too many cowards and lost people in Congress. This memo must be provided to USAians. DC is a overrun with anti-constituional creatures, foreign and domestic.
Release the memo, or perish.
Return to USConstitution, or perish.
There is no doubt that I want the guilty to be held accountable. This could take many years involving some of the best defense lawyers in the country. This will be a slow tedious process that will not attract much attention from a public who has been ill-informed by the MSM about what is going on.
There is the immediate political problem of the 2018 midterms where the Dems hold a generic edge over Reps and historically, the Dems will pick up seats. It is just a matter of how many and whether they can regain control over the House. Once in power, Congressional investigations of this corruption will cease or be smothered.
The Reps have a window of opportunity to change the current dynamic. It will take a concerted PR effort enforced with passion and energy to inform the American public about the extent of the damage done to our civil liberties and the Constitution by Deep State and the Dems along with their allies in the MSM.
The only reason why DOJ wants to see the report is to gird their loins about how to defend the institution. Allowing the investigated to see the evidence and conclusions and perhaps force some edits is ass-backwards. Nunes has seen some information that no one else on the committee has seen. He is clearly upset and wants to get this report out to the Republic.
DOJ and the FBI even under Trump have been stonewalling the committees by not responding to requests for information. It took the threat of subpoenas to get some of the documents. And to cap matters off, DOJ said that five months of texts between Strzok and Page were lost due to a technical glitch. Who drafted and released that response to Congress? The hue and cry was so great that within days DOJ acknowledged they could retrieve them. Why should we buy any of the excuses coming from the Deep State? Release the report and we will make up our minds.
Trump can control the schedule and condition of any meeting with Mueller. Elsewhere I have suggested Trump ought to be eager for a meeting under the same conditions extended to Hillary, but with a Trump Twist. Trump could publically proclaim that since he is the guy that can fire Mueller, he will trade questions with Mueller and the meeting will be televised to the public.
Do you want Trump to commit suicide in front of the public? Do you remember the Clinton interview with Starr's team and what the meaning of is "is"? Thankfully, you are not the one giving legal advice to the President.
I can see the benefit in that. Either way, if the report establishes what we speculate, it's going to taint Mueller's actions, period.
I tend to agree with your point of view on this. Public memory is like that of a goldfish, and the press will always work to compartment reporting in ways to maximize damage to Trump.
If Trump agrees to a Mueller interview, the news reports will be that Trump obstructed justice six ways to Sunday. That's going to be the case regardless of, independent of the contents of the Nunes memo.
In the end, this is a political war, with ongoing testing of the ability of the press to advance falsehood. I see the memo and a Mueller/Trump interview as somewhat independent battles in that war.
-- I am wondering what this report may disclose about Rosenstein's role in extending the FISA warrant and why Mueller was selected as Special Counsel by him given the obvious conflicts of interest. And since Rosenstein is overseeing the Mueller investigation, why did he allow the appointment of a team that had so many ties to Obama, Clinton, and the Dems? --
I think you meant "Nunes memo," and I agree. All of that is also wrapped up in how he handles the eventual Mueller report. Mueller and Rosenstein are attached at the hip on that work product.
Hi djpg —
The train can’t leave the station until all the boxcars are attached. In the words of blind Master Po to a young Caine, “Patience, Grasshopper.”
It will be revealed when all the boxcars are on the track, and firmly attached. By merely exposing the intent to release, the vermin are scattering. It won’t be long before they start cannibalizing each other. Most likely it won’t be released before the SOTU on Tuesday night. It is amusing to me that some are so worried (Stephen Boyd and Mark Warner) that they are taking issue with it when they have not read it. Grab your popcorn. The next several months will be historic.
Gwjack
But they are extremely good managers of finances, Pelosi is the richest woman in the Congress at 100 million + net worth.
The current Dem/MSM narrative is that Mueller is tightening the noose causing the Reps to panic and to create distractions like the text revelations and the partisan Nunes report. The NYT recently leaked story that Trump wanted to fire Mueller just reinforces the narrative that Trump is about to be taken down by Mueller, which is why he has always wanted to fire Mueller. The purposeful leaks by Mueller about the Sessions and Bannon interviews are a bid to monopolize the news cycle and neutralize the steady stream of revelations about the corruption within the FBI. The consumers of MSM news know very little about the corruption stories.
If Trump agrees to a Mueller interview, the news reports will be that Trump obstructed justice six ways to Sunday. That's going to be the case regardless of, independent of the contents of the Nunes memo.
Fine, but the memo will be out there prior to any characterizations or leaks about the putative Trump interview. Mueller is providing over a kangaroo court.
In the end, this is a political war, with ongoing testing of the ability of the press to advance falsehood. I see the memo and a Mueller/Trump interview as somewhat independent battles in that war.
The Nunes report is ammunition for our side in this war. He who frames the issue, wins the argument.
The Democrats like universal surveillance.
Nonetheless, let me briefly respond.
There is the immediate political problem of the 2018 midterms…
Whereupon you argue for what could be a tactically premature action. Do you also believe Trump is not aware of this timeline?
The Reps have a window of opportunity to change the current dynamic.
That is certainly true, but forget the Reps because of the expected counter-action by the Rinos, do you think Trump will sleep through the moment?
It will take a concerted PR effort enforced with passion and energy to inform the American public…
How has Trump been doing so far in this regard? Are you assuming he has no plan?
Nunes has seen some information that no one else on the committee has seen. He is clearly upset and wants to get this report out to the Republic.
Do you think there is the slightest chance Nunes is not coordinating with the WH? Do you think Trump doesn't want the public to see the report?
Do you want Trump to commit suicide in front of the public? Do you remember the Clinton interview with Starr's team and what the meaning of is "is"?
Irrelevant, entirely different players; but since you mentioned it, the level of sophistication is reversed in the current setting. What is relevant is the good reason to believe Mueller is walking into the interview with dirty hands and Trump is in control.
If you have drawn 3 cards to a Royal Flush, as we think Trump may have, are you going to encourage more betting or are you going to end it quickly?
You can have the last word. Have a nice weekend.
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Is that a rhetorical question? Of course he is aware of the timeline. The WH has already signaled that they have no problems with the release of the Nunes' report and that in fact it wasn't even necessary to have WH approval.
“We certainly support full transparency,” said White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. “It sounds like there are some members in the House that have some real concern with what’s in that memo, and feel very strongly that the American public should be privy to see it.”
She stopped short of saying the White House was urging the committee to release it, saying only that she hasn’t seen the memo.
That is certainly true, but forget the Reps because of the expected counter-action by the Rinos, do you think Trump will sleep through the moment?
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How has Trump been doing so far in this regard? Are you assuming he has no plan? ?
The GOP has to have the same talking points for all their candidates in the midterms. It will take more than Trump to make that happen.
Do you think there is the slightest chance Nunes is not coordinating with the WH? Do you think Trump doesn't want the public to see the report?
I have no doubt that Nunes is working with the WH. The question is why is DOJ publicly demanding that it receive a copy of the Nunes memo prior to being released to the public?
Irrelevant, entirely different players; but since you mentioned it, the level of sophistication is reversed in the current setting. What is relevant is the good reason to believe Mueller is walking into the interview with dirty hands and Trump is in control.
Trump will listen to his legal advisors. He would be a fool to agree to a public interview on television or taped. It is a perjury trap and he has no control over what Mueller may ask him. We know that probably all or most of his telephone conversations, emails etc. were captured by NSA. Mueller already knows the answers to all his questions. In any event, there is no way what you posit is ever going to happen.
If you have drawn 3 cards to a Royal Flush, as we think Trump may have, are you going to encourage more betting or are you going to end it quickly?
The longer this game goes on, the more damaging it is to Trump and his Presidency. Mueller can go anywhere he wants in this investigation. The Whitewater investigation began with a land deal and four years later it ended in a sex scandal and perjury.
I have heard that the supporting docs are massive, thousands of pages.Lots of work to be done there.
I was reluctant to see it released since some inferred that it might interfere with ongoing cases. Problem is the rats are lying their asses off about the four page summary.Since that’s the case better to release both the summary and the thousands of pages that accompany it. That way we can make an even better case than has already been made.
The dems will never admit guilt on anything. It’s just who they are. They never admit it when they are caught red handed. The only way to get the information out is to release it to the public and let each and every citizen make up their own mind.
Rod, the sooner we release it, the sooner we can hear what the specific objections of the Dems are. These can then be addressed with the evidence. Such a dialogue would inform the public and raise its visibility. It brings the Dems and MSM on to our turf focusing on the corruption of Deep State and the framing of President Trump.
Problem is the rats are lying their asses off about the four page summary.
Which for the moment may be a good thing: a properly published report will show the nation how insincere was the Dem’s frantic response.
Most, like you and me, want the report released. If supported by evidence, as many Republican officials believe it is, the facts will reveal intentional and widespread official activity that threatened our government’s foundation, the likes of which our nation has never before seen.
The disagreement on these pages is when and under what conditions the report should be released and whether at the soonest or latest moment.
In this regard, IMO, there are two principle dynamics involved. The first is the political result that will occur from any release, that being a certain and sizable public outrage that would have an impact in the upcoming House elections. The point, of course, is to assure the House does not fall into Democrat hands. This dynamic recognizes a finite time line which requires perhaps a “soonest date” release, or by no later than prior to the elections.
The second dynamic has two aspects, a) the restructuring of the DOJ and FBI along with any other agencies whose officials engaged in the activities and b) the undertaking of an unheard of number of separate federal prosecutions, all by those recently restructured agencies. The latter will require staffing up and carefully preparing for a number of major criminal prosecutions, at both the investigative level and for litigation purposes.
Prosecutors will rightly argue they are not obligated to release their investigator’s work product until charges are filed. No doubt there are many competent prosecutors within DOJ who currently emphasize this point (it is almost certain the WH back channel is working in this regard to identify the meat eaters).
The second dynamic then argues for releasing the report at the latest moment, or no sooner than criminal proceedings commence.
Trump therefore must manage two clearly conflicting timelines, but it can be done. Fortunately for us, his history suggests he is a skilled negotiator. Moreover, he is in control, his intel is almost certainly as good as anyone’s, he is not required to answer any questions during his term unless he agrees to, but he can ask questions and act on the answers or non-answers.
It is easy to predict that Trump will make a significant announcement in this regard at the SOTU speech next week…simply because in the aggregate, the report is the most important element of the SOTU.
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