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Why America’s stealth jet forces should fear China’s new unarmed eye in the sky
South China Morning Post ^ | 24 January, 2018 | Kristin Huang

Posted on 01/24/2018 8:52:09 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: billyboy15

The Chinese are a good 15 yrs or more behind us in both technology and force size. They won’t catch us unless we sit on our asses and get complacent


Or use sequestration to squeeze the mil below WWI size, cut essential training, stop buying spare parts and use a lot of the rest for Social Justice, LBGQxyz awareness, and lower standards so far that a 34 year old mom can become an Army Ranger.

So as you see we are not sitting on our asses growing ever more complacent, but rushing to the forefront of political correctness and social justice in ways the PLA, PLAN, and PLAF cannot possibly hope to match in their lifetimes.


21 posted on 01/24/2018 10:35:55 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Spktyr

No argument about NObama from me. But one ship does not a navy make and I’m sure that weapon can be supplied with ammunition.


22 posted on 01/24/2018 11:01:42 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: billyboy15

It can’t because we didn’t buy any ammo for it and the program was cancelled, tooling destroyed. We would have to start an all new development program now to make ammo for it. Cute, huh?

I would also point out the recent Keystone Kops incidents with US Navy destroyers hitting large merchant vessels. The entire Navy at this point has huge problems.


23 posted on 01/24/2018 11:06:00 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wish them luck with their EMALS system. If it works as well as ours does at the moment they’ll have just enough energy to push that AWACS into the water.


24 posted on 01/24/2018 11:14:45 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Spktyr

We probably could still get ammo but it cost a million bucks per she’ll. Kinda like that $60k hammer they used to talk about.


25 posted on 01/24/2018 11:43:46 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: Spktyr

Not defending the Navy on this one, but the Navy is juggling budget priorities. They *may* have concluded that saving the investment in the DD-1000 was more important than the gun rounds — which can be adapted from pre-existing rounds until the real-deal is ready.

How many times has the Airforce or the Navy fielded a fighter only to have the engine it was designed for canceled? I can think of a few.


26 posted on 01/24/2018 11:47:18 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

They cancelled the ammo contract *after* the ship was constructed. Investment was already made and could not be lost.


27 posted on 01/24/2018 11:51:13 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tallguy

In fact, the ship was in commission for three weeks before they cancelled the ammo.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23738/uss-zumwalt-ammo-too-expensive/


28 posted on 01/24/2018 11:52:49 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tallguy

Also, the AGS is physically unable to fire standard 155mm artillery rounds, nor can standard 155mm rounds be adapted to the AGS. The AGS would have to be replaced.


29 posted on 01/24/2018 11:55:15 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The ship will either get the ammo (eventually), or switch over to a rail gun. Either way the ship is a technological test-bed now that the rest of the vessels will never be built. It’s a modern USS Langley.

I’m not saying that I agree with what is being done here. But now it’s making the best from a series of bad decisions.


30 posted on 01/24/2018 11:58:30 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

Thing is, Langley was never used in a position where it could face combat. We’re deploying Zumwalt *already*.


31 posted on 01/24/2018 12:08:24 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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(Quibble) Langley converted over to an auxiliary carrier and was sunk by the Japanese, so it’s hard to tell what plans the Navy might have had. She was forward deployed with the Asiatic Fleet. The DD-1000’s are being tried out as surface raiders. The crews need t I be trained and the bugs worked out (there are many). They do have large VLS cells, so they are a credible threat on paper.


32 posted on 01/24/2018 1:21:29 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

Reportedly the VLS cells don’t work either because the software has some serious problems. It has the radar cross section of a 50 foot fishing boat... as well as the armaments of a 50 foot fishing boat at current.


33 posted on 01/24/2018 1:52:01 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“one-off rocket propeller “

Journalist speak for JATO?


34 posted on 01/24/2018 2:06:35 PM PST by Rebelbase (1/12/18 read the word 'shithole' more times in one day than in my entire life up to that that point.)
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To: billyboy15

And what good does all those nuclear weapons do in a non-nuclear war? (i.e.: Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Mexico (sooner or later), ad naseam)?


35 posted on 01/24/2018 3:07:17 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: Gen.Blather

Well relative to that I would say it is a whole lot cheaper. 8>)


36 posted on 01/24/2018 4:03:54 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: ro_dreaming

Non nuclear until it becomes nuclear. We say we will never initiate the use of nukes. That is our policy.

Policies change.

I would not allow my country to die from 1000 cuts if I could drop one bomb and scare the living sh#t out of the entire world.

The message is clear and simple. “Do NOT f##k with us.”


37 posted on 01/25/2018 1:30:02 AM PST by billyboy15
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