Posted on 12/30/2017 5:41:33 PM PST by Kaslin
The right kind of tax reform can help people directly and indirectly.
For what it’s worth, I think the indirect impact is most important for family finances, and I discussed the potential benefits of faster growth in this recent interview on Fox Business.
Dan Mitchell Explaining Why Uncompetitive States Should Lower Tax Rates
But for today’s column, I want to focus on the final portion of the interview, when I pontificated on how limiting the state and local tax deduction is going to motivate some successful taxpayers to “vote with their feet” and therefore put additional pressure on high-tax states.
And if we get lower tax rates at the state level, we can include that outcome as another indirect benefit of federal tax reform.
I’m leery of predictions, but I think this will happen. The bottom line is that high-income taxpayers – even before tax reform from Washington – have been escaping from states such as Illinois and California. Here are some fun facts from a recent column in National Review based on IRS data.
"Last month, the Internal Revenue Service released the latest tax and migration numbers for 2015 and 2016. […] the latest figures show that Florida is seeing an overwhelming influx of taxpayers from other states. In 2015 and 2016, the Sunshine State attracted a staggering net inflow of $17.4 billion in adjusted gross incomes. […] the IRS is able to break down new residents by age groups. During the 2015–16 reporting period, nearly 70,000 tax filers between the ages of 26 and 35 moved into the state. That age group accounted for the biggest influx of new Florida residents, over ten thousand more than the 55-and-over category. […] The states that lost the most net taxpayers in both dollar and percentage terms relative to their existing tax bases are Connecticut (–$2.7 billion) and New York (–$8.8 billion). What does this tell us? […] the size of a state’s government matters. Florida’s per capita state spending is the lowest in the country […] Connecticut, meanwhile, has the eighth highest per capita state spending, and New York ranks 15th. […] New York has the second heaviest aggregate tax burden of any state, while Florida’s is the fourth lightest."
The Daily Caller combed through some new data from the Census Bureau.
"Three Democratic-leaning states hemorrhaged hundreds of thousands of people in 2016 and 2017 as crime, high taxes and, in some cases, crummy weather had residents seeking greener pastures elsewhere. The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week. […] Illinois lost so many residents that it dropped from the fifth to the sixth-most populous state in 2017, losing its previous spot to Pennsylvania. Just under 115,000 Illinois residents decamped for other states between July 2016 and July 2017. Since 2010, the Land of Lincoln has lost about 650,000 residents to other states on net [c] Illinois’ Democratic-dominated legislature has tried to ameliorate the situation with tax hikes, causing even more people to leave and throwing the state into a demographic spiral. Illinois experiences a net loss of about 33,000 residents in 2016, the fourth consecutive year of population decline. […] California was the third deep blue state to experience significant domestic out-migration between July 2016 and July 2017, and it couldn’t blame the outflow on retirees searching for a more agreeable climate. About 138,000 residents left the state during that time period, second only to New York."
Even the establishment media is noticing.
Here are excerpts from a recent report in the Mercury News.
"A growing number of Bay Area residents — besieged by home prices, worsening traffic, high taxes and a generally more expensive cost of living — believe life would be better just about anywhere else but here. During the 12 months ending June 30, the number of people leaving California for another state exceeded by 61,100 the number who moved here from elsewhere in the U.S., according to state Finance Department statistics. The so-called 'net outward migration' was the largest since 2011, when 63,300 more people fled California than entered. […] 'They are tired of the state of California and the endless taxes here,' said Scott McElfresh, a certified moving consultant. 'People are getting soaked every time they turn around.'"
And now that state and local taxes will no longer be fully deductible, this out-migration is going to accelerate. Which, of course, will mean added pressure for lower tax rates in states like New York and California. And New Jersey, Illinois, and Connecticut.
Here are some excerpts from a story from Yahoo Finance.
"Wall Street tax expert Robert Willens, president of Robert Willens LLC, has never heard more discussion from wealthy New Yorkers about relocating to another state with a more favorable tax environment until now because of the GOP tax plan. 'Everybody I speak to brings this up. Every NYC resident I speak to asks about the feasibility involved in doing it,' Willens, who regularly advises hedge fund clients on tax matters as it relates to investing, told Yahoo Finance. 'I’ve been doing this more than 40 years, and never heard more discussion about relocating than recently.' […] 'He believes it will devastate NY (and, to a lesser extent, CA), primarily by ending or severely limiting the deduction of the very high state and local taxes. He estimated that his tax rate (and others [similarly] situated) will go from mid-30% to 56%, which will trigger a massive exodus from NY to places like Florida, which will crush the NYC (and therefore state) economy.' […] Kelly Smallridge, the president and CEO of Palm Beach County’s Business Development Board, has seen an uptick in activity from CEOs looking to explore Florida since there’s no state tax on personal income. […] The move from the northeast to Florida has been somewhat of a trend in recent years. In the last five years, 60 financial services firms have relocated to the Palm Beach area, Smallridge noted."
If you want to know what states are most vulnerable, the Tax Foundation’s map of state income tax burdens is a good place to start. Also, the Tax Foundation’s State Business Tax Climate Index is another measure of which states over-tax their citizens.
And here’s a survey of small business sentiment that shows which states are viewed as having unfriendly tax codes.
And it’s also worth reviewing the evidence that already exists for tax-motivated migration.
Here’s a map showing the entire country and here’s a map showing the exodus from California.
You fill out IRS Form W4-V and send it to your local Social Security office. You can request they withhold 7%, 10%, 15%, or 25%. The form can also be used to stop the voluntary withholding. I suggest to some of my clients to withhold that way, especially when it is easier than changing a pension.
Yes, the man/woman making the decision to flee a high tax state might not vote Rat but everyone else in the family will. Net result is more Rat voters in red states.
Good - Repubs don’t win national elections in those States anyway - gonna be some “principled” FReepers leaving here and showing up on the DU site because they no longer get to write off all their State/local taxes on the rest of our dimes....
What I find interesting is these are the same folks who are saying ‘cutting taxes’ doesn’t work, trickle down doesn’t work...and yet...they still want to keep what they make, just like the rest of us.
I just don’t understand them! I truly, truly don’t.
Second, if they think their state taxes are too high, deal with the state government! Keep your problems local and stop making a ‘federal’ case of the matter.
“Those NYers and others fleeing high tax states will elect Dems who will raise taxes. Bet on it. Just need to look at taxes in Nassau and Suffolk counties since NYCers fled the city for the Burbs.”
A larger example is Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina. At least 3 generations of migration since the 1960s from the Northeast to the D.C. area and the Research Triangle have made those areas blue.
This is my concern as well. Full disclosure; I am a rare small-government, tea-party type living behind enemy lines in the people's republic of NJ, and this will only expedite my exit from NJ. Unfortunately - as you stated - many of the hypocrites on the left who usually advocate for higher taxes (just not for themselves) will also move to lower tax, relatively reliable Republican states and erode the margin of electoral safety, turning the states 'purple'.
I will take a financial hit from this SALT limitation in the tax bill, but I am willing to bite the bullet in order to see more pressure put on the state governments in NJ, NY, CA, IL, etc. to do what they should have been doing in terms of legislating some tax relief for the tax-paying producers in their respective states instead of soaking us in order to support the masses who rely on the tax-payer funded handouts in exchange for voting dem.
I just hope it doesn't backfire by shifting the electoral map against us as it has in Colorado and Virginia for example.
High taxes support the “safety net” (and the safety net is really a wealth transfer from the producers to the non producers aka Democrat Voters).
Also into play is the fact that Democrats use the state revenue to gurantee a solid voting block, public employee workers. The legislature votes generous pay and benefits (including life time pensions) to government workers and they they in turn (via their union) give back generous campaign contributions and support.
It is all a Ponzi scheme with the Democrat sitting on top of the pyramid. Like all Ponzi schemes new members must be added which why they want an open border from third world countries (people they can manipulate and control).
This scheme will fall apart the only question is when.
If the Federal government won't then why should the states?
Before that they will vote against those who voted to end the SALT deductions. Republican congressmen in New York, New Jersey, California, and Illinois could become an endangered species.
Thanks for the withholding info-——I learn something every day.
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