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Kate Steinly was over a hundred feet from the shooter when she was hit. The bullet hit the pier surface 12-15 feet from where the shooter was seated.

The physical evidence supports these facts. It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.

1 posted on 12/12/2017 4:59:17 AM PST by marktwain
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It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.

All of which were charges available to the jury who declined to convict under any of them.

2 posted on 12/12/2017 5:08:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I fully agree. The state dropped the ball big time.


3 posted on 12/12/2017 5:08:57 AM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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Was the blm ranger’s car dusted for prints. I assume that a stolen federal officer’s gun would precipitate a full investigation.

Of course this is San Francisco. I’m sure nothing was done.


4 posted on 12/12/2017 5:09:30 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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The Sig Sauer P239 is a modern, safe firearm. It will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.

There goes the ricochet theory, which was bs from the very beginning. And who pulled the trigger 12-15 feet "away from the shooter?" Kangaroo courts are never in favor of justice.

6 posted on 12/12/2017 5:12:04 AM PST by LibWhacker
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“Kate Steinly was over a hundred feet from the shooter when she was hit. The bullet hit the pier surface 12-15 feet from where the shooter was seated.
The physical evidence supports these facts. It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide. “

Im curious about the entry path and what vital organs were hit? Personally, finding it difficult to believe this to have been a killing shot. Although, I acknowledge it could have just have been a very rare circumstance....


12 posted on 12/12/2017 5:27:17 AM PST by snoringbear (,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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“It is easy to understand how even a federal agent could be intimidated into not carrying a gun in San Francisco, when he was not on duty.”

I am not sure I understand this. Why would he be any more intimidated than an off duty SF cop would be? Also, does current policy of federal (and state & local) law enforcement agencies allow leaving firearms in unattended personally-owned vehicles? In this case, the agent was found not to have violated policy but is the same generally true of current policy?


17 posted on 12/12/2017 5:36:40 AM PST by Stingray51
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I realize a hundred feet sounds like a lot, but it really isn't, particularly when talking about gunfire and ballistics of anything bigger than a BB gun. Consider this, the next time you're stuck in traffic, if you're 5 or 6 cars back from the light, that's probably about 100 feet. Those people on the crosswalk discernible as people?

At 100 ft on an open pier two people walking would easily visible/noticeable. The Sig is a very safe firearm, I'm sure this one was tested and proved to be in good working order, thus no spontaneous discharge.

Therefore I conclude the murderer not only saw the people, he intentionally pointed the firearm in their direction and pulled the trigger. At the very least negligent homicide.

Consider this, say a middle aged straight, married, Christian, white guy with a CC permit had taken a shot at a guy who had just robbed a 7-11, missed, and hit & killed someone. Think he would get off without a conviction? Some "justice" for all out there in CA...

28 posted on 12/12/2017 6:11:32 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Doing my part to help make America great again!)
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For all that about how the bullet entered Kate Steinly’s body, I have yet to figure out why the trigger was pulled in the first place.

A gun will not misfire, unless the trigger is intentionally pulled. Story after story about the illegal did not intent to kill Steinly, but why did he shoot (at something) in the first place?


29 posted on 12/12/2017 6:14:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = USSR; Journ0List + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey)
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Gun? What gun? Jose didn't even know it was a gun until it fired all by itself. 👹
30 posted on 12/12/2017 6:19:38 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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Didn’t follow too closely here but what was the illegal shooting at in the first place? Or was it one of those “found the gun and it just started going off..”


31 posted on 12/12/2017 6:21:13 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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Just discharging a pistol in a crowded area should have been a criminal act.


33 posted on 12/12/2017 6:26:42 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~)
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If it’d been fired by a white skin head, he’d have gotten the needle.


35 posted on 12/12/2017 6:37:05 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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This case reeks of injustice. First, illegals should not have the rights granted citizens. Further, citizens should not be required to pay some scummy lawyer to defend the illegal scumbag. The judge should have allowed the jury access to the illegal’s past criminal history. Lastly, the jury should have found the illegal guilty of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide. This case is a total miscarriage of justice.


36 posted on 12/12/2017 6:48:01 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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37 posted on 12/12/2017 6:58:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This forum is a Doug Jones free zone! Go Roy Moore!)
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If you are a citizen with a concealed carry permit or a law enforcement officer who carries off duty, you should buy and install a lockbox to put your pistol in when you need to leave it in your vehicle. These are not expensive. Mine is a little metal keylock case that has a cable attached which can be wrapped around a place in the vehicle like where your passenger side front seat is attached to the floor. Yes, it can be cut off but it at least delays or deterrs a snatch and grab guy.


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