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Gun Used in Kate Steinle Homicide: Facts, Distance, Richochet, Bullet
Ammoland ^ | 7 December, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/12/2017 4:59:17 AM PST by marktwain

The Sig Sauer P239 is a compact semi-automatic pistol that holds seven .40 caliber rounds in the magazine.

The .40 caliber bullet recovered from Kate Steinle's body was a hollowpoint design. It appears to have entered her body while tumbling after ricocheting off Pier 14's paved surface.

The Sig Sauer pistol was stolen from a federal Bureau of Land Management ranger in San Francisco on June 27, 2015, four days before the homicide.  His vehicle was locked.

The gun was out of sight, in a holster in a backpack. The rear passenger window had been smashed in. The pistol was legally secured according to agency policy.

From kqed.org:

“My fiancee yells out, ‘Oh my God, I can’t believe this,’ ” Woychowski testified. “The back-seat passenger side window was smashed out.”

He said he called 911 and also reported the theft to his own agency. A BLM investigation found the way he transported and stored the gun did not violate the agency’s policy at the time, and he was not disciplined.

It is easy to understand how even a federal agent could be intimidated into not carrying a gun in San Francisco, when he was not on duty.  One of the problems exacerbated by policies that create gun free zones, is they encourage people to store guns in vehicles. That facilitates the theft of the guns.

The pistol was fired once. The bullet that hit Kate Steinle in the lower back was traveling upward when it hit her.

The .40 caliber bullet hit Pier 14's paved surface about 12-15 feet from the shooter's position, then ricocheted into Kate Steinle's back 90-95 feet further down the pier. Kate Steinle and the illegal alien shooter were about a hundred feet apart when the shooting occurred.

From mercurynews.com:

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Kate Steinly was over a hundred feet from the shooter when she was hit. The bullet hit the pier surface 12-15 feet from where the shooter was seated.

The physical evidence supports these facts. It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.

1 posted on 12/12/2017 4:59:17 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.

All of which were charges available to the jury who declined to convict under any of them.

2 posted on 12/12/2017 5:08:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I fully agree. The state dropped the ball big time.


3 posted on 12/12/2017 5:08:57 AM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: marktwain

Was the blm ranger’s car dusted for prints. I assume that a stolen federal officer’s gun would precipitate a full investigation.

Of course this is San Francisco. I’m sure nothing was done.


4 posted on 12/12/2017 5:09:30 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DarthVader

Being the state of California wanted the scum to be not guilty. They didn’t drop the ball. They carried the water.


5 posted on 12/12/2017 5:11:25 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain
The Sig Sauer P239 is a modern, safe firearm. It will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.

There goes the ricochet theory, which was bs from the very beginning. And who pulled the trigger 12-15 feet "away from the shooter?" Kangaroo courts are never in favor of justice.

6 posted on 12/12/2017 5:12:04 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Vaquero

That’s the primary reason why the Feds have stepped in.


7 posted on 12/12/2017 5:13:16 AM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: DarthVader

Let’s hope the Feds step in on the Shaver murder by cop case


8 posted on 12/12/2017 5:17:05 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DarthVader
"...The Sig Sauer pistol was stolen from a federal Bureau of Land Management ranger in San Francisco on June 27, 2015, four days before the homicide. His vehicle was locked...The gun was out of sight

No, it was not "stolen from a ranger". It was left in an unattended vehicle, in violation of CA law.

It makes no difference under CA law that his vehicle was locked and the gun out of sight. Officer is still guilty of a felony.

There is so much wrong here.

You or I would be doing hard time for this. That is not acceptable.

9 posted on 12/12/2017 5:19:04 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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To: LibWhacker

There goes the ricochet theory, which was bs from the very beginning.


What? All the physical evidence corroborates that the shot was a richochet.

It is very easy to have a richochet when pulling a trigger. The gun just has to be pointing toward a hard surface when it is fired.


10 posted on 12/12/2017 5:22:45 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

It was left in an unattended vehicle, in violation of CA law.


California firearms law is byzantine, and difficult to interpret.

But I believe you are mistaken here. Nearly all California firearms law has exceptions for sworn law enforcement officers. The BLM agent is a sworn law enforcement officer.


11 posted on 12/12/2017 5:26:07 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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“Kate Steinly was over a hundred feet from the shooter when she was hit. The bullet hit the pier surface 12-15 feet from where the shooter was seated.
The physical evidence supports these facts. It should have been second degree murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide. “

Im curious about the entry path and what vital organs were hit? Personally, finding it difficult to believe this to have been a killing shot. Although, I acknowledge it could have just have been a very rare circumstance....


12 posted on 12/12/2017 5:27:17 AM PST by snoringbear (,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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The bullet was tumbling when it hit Kate. I do not know the exact entrance point, said to be “lower back”. It clipped the aorta.

Death was very quick.


13 posted on 12/12/2017 5:29:47 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: DarthVader

Feds stepped in too late to do immediate forensics. The Feds can’t charge the scumbag with murder or manslaughter (double jeopardy).
The state of California and the city of San Francisco need to be held responsible.


14 posted on 12/12/2017 5:31:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DarthVader
The state dropped the ball big time.

Deliberately.

15 posted on 12/12/2017 5:32:04 AM PST by Salvey
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And who pulled the trigger 12-15 feet "away from the shooter?"

Never mind. My mistake. The bullet ricocheted 12-15 feet away. No one pulled the trigger there.

16 posted on 12/12/2017 5:36:27 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: marktwain

“It is easy to understand how even a federal agent could be intimidated into not carrying a gun in San Francisco, when he was not on duty.”

I am not sure I understand this. Why would he be any more intimidated than an off duty SF cop would be? Also, does current policy of federal (and state & local) law enforcement agencies allow leaving firearms in unattended personally-owned vehicles? In this case, the agent was found not to have violated policy but is the same generally true of current policy?


17 posted on 12/12/2017 5:36:40 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: LibWhacker

The ricoche happened. It’s not a theory.

Any criminal trial needs to be against the state and city for not only permitting this illegal scumbag from roaming the streets but encouraging it.

The shooters is a dupe. The state is the criminal.


18 posted on 12/12/2017 5:39:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

I picked up on that also. I don’t think you should ever leave a gun locked in a car if avoidable and this is especially true for a LEO vehicle. I think I’d conceal it on my person and invade a “no firearms” zone before I would leave it in the car. Unless I was going to a courthouse or other place with metal detectors and strict laws. Then, I’d leave it in the car for as short a time as possible. I’d try to remember to put it in the trunk before I left to get there.


19 posted on 12/12/2017 5:40:56 AM PST by circlecity
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Who smashed the window and stole the weapon? Unless CCTV can verify the gun was actually found on scene, and publicly “played with” prior to the shot, the perpetrator should be considered as the thief of the agents weapon.


20 posted on 12/12/2017 5:44:21 AM PST by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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