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Gun Used in Kate Steinle Homicide: Facts, Distance, Richochet, Bullet
Ammoland ^ | 7 December, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/12/2017 4:59:17 AM PST by marktwain

The Sig Sauer P239 is a compact semi-automatic pistol that holds seven .40 caliber rounds in the magazine.

The .40 caliber bullet recovered from Kate Steinle's body was a hollowpoint design. It appears to have entered her body while tumbling after ricocheting off Pier 14's paved surface.

The Sig Sauer pistol was stolen from a federal Bureau of Land Management ranger in San Francisco on June 27, 2015, four days before the homicide.  His vehicle was locked.

The gun was out of sight, in a holster in a backpack. The rear passenger window had been smashed in. The pistol was legally secured according to agency policy.

From kqed.org:

“My fiancee yells out, ‘Oh my God, I can’t believe this,’ ” Woychowski testified. “The back-seat passenger side window was smashed out.”

He said he called 911 and also reported the theft to his own agency. A BLM investigation found the way he transported and stored the gun did not violate the agency’s policy at the time, and he was not disciplined.

It is easy to understand how even a federal agent could be intimidated into not carrying a gun in San Francisco, when he was not on duty.  One of the problems exacerbated by policies that create gun free zones, is they encourage people to store guns in vehicles. That facilitates the theft of the guns.

The pistol was fired once. The bullet that hit Kate Steinle in the lower back was traveling upward when it hit her.

The .40 caliber bullet hit Pier 14's paved surface about 12-15 feet from the shooter's position, then ricocheted into Kate Steinle's back 90-95 feet further down the pier. Kate Steinle and the illegal alien shooter were about a hundred feet apart when the shooting occurred.

From mercurynews.com:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; richochet; steinle
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To: Stingray51

The BLM agent is not an employee of San Francisco, as SF police are. San Francisco is perhaps the most anti-gun jurisdiction in California.

While unlikely that an off duty BLM officer would be arrested and jailed, the possibility of being detained was real.

I would have made the decision to have the firearm on me. The officer did not.


21 posted on 12/12/2017 5:50:22 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Clutch Martin

Who smashed the window and stole the weapon?


My working assumption is that the perpetrator stole the handgun. He did not have a lot of money, so it is unlikely that he purchased it on the black market.

The idea that he just found it is ludicrous, simply unbelievable.

The defense peddled this fantasy as part of the “poor victim” defense.


22 posted on 12/12/2017 5:55:21 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

The Bureau of Land MisManagement ranger got a promotion a few months later. This is how the land grab agencies operate, mediocrity and especially flat-out incompetence are always greatly rewarded. Screw up in one federal land area, and you are always promoted from within, or to another park, forest, land area.


23 posted on 12/12/2017 5:56:39 AM PST by Borax Queen (Who is John Galt? President Trump.)
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To: marktwain
California firearms law is byzantine, and difficult to interpret.

That is very true. That is why when transproting to the the range, my firearms all have a trigger lock (and the bolt removed for the rifles), in a locked case. The key for the locked case and trigger lock is in a separate locked case with my ammo. All of this goes in the trunk of my car.

24 posted on 12/12/2017 5:59:08 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: super7man

But I suppose they could stll get me on something if they wanted to.


25 posted on 12/12/2017 5:59:56 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: LibWhacker

There goes the ricochet theory, which was bs from the very beginning.

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Read the article. There is very good forensic evidence that the bullet did bounce off the pavement.

However, there’s no way that the gun did the crime as the jury determined.


26 posted on 12/12/2017 6:01:34 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Borax Queen

All indications are that the ranger in question has an excellent reputation within the agency.

Yes, bureaucracies have problems. They always have.

To claim that this agent is incompetent because he followed department policy is a stretch.

After the Steinle case, the department changed to policy.


27 posted on 12/12/2017 6:03:39 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
I realize a hundred feet sounds like a lot, but it really isn't, particularly when talking about gunfire and ballistics of anything bigger than a BB gun. Consider this, the next time you're stuck in traffic, if you're 5 or 6 cars back from the light, that's probably about 100 feet. Those people on the crosswalk discernible as people?

At 100 ft on an open pier two people walking would easily visible/noticeable. The Sig is a very safe firearm, I'm sure this one was tested and proved to be in good working order, thus no spontaneous discharge.

Therefore I conclude the murderer not only saw the people, he intentionally pointed the firearm in their direction and pulled the trigger. At the very least negligent homicide.

Consider this, say a middle aged straight, married, Christian, white guy with a CC permit had taken a shot at a guy who had just robbed a 7-11, missed, and hit & killed someone. Think he would get off without a conviction? Some "justice" for all out there in CA...

28 posted on 12/12/2017 6:11:32 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Doing my part to help make America great again!)
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To: marktwain

For all that about how the bullet entered Kate Steinly’s body, I have yet to figure out why the trigger was pulled in the first place.

A gun will not misfire, unless the trigger is intentionally pulled. Story after story about the illegal did not intent to kill Steinly, but why did he shoot (at something) in the first place?


29 posted on 12/12/2017 6:14:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = USSR; Journ0List + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey)
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To: marktwain
Gun? What gun? Jose didn't even know it was a gun until it fired all by itself. 👹
30 posted on 12/12/2017 6:19:38 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: marktwain

Didn’t follow too closely here but what was the illegal shooting at in the first place? Or was it one of those “found the gun and it just started going off..”


31 posted on 12/12/2017 6:21:13 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: T-Bone Texan; marktwain
Yep. The average peon...err...I mean subject of the People's Republic of CA would be up S*** Creek but Feds are a special class, like Democrats.

Actually, most are Democrats.

Common sense tells us that the shooter stole the Sig, pointed it at innocent people and pulled the trigger.

But common sense is an endangered species in CA.

32 posted on 12/12/2017 6:23:38 AM PST by Eagles6
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To: marktwain

Just discharging a pistol in a crowded area should have been a criminal act.


33 posted on 12/12/2017 6:26:42 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~)
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To: jughandle

There were a couple of stories given.

At first, the perp claimed he was “shooting at seals”.

After he lawyered up, the story became that he was handling the pistol, wrapped up in a shirt, when it “just went off”.


34 posted on 12/12/2017 6:26:49 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

If it’d been fired by a white skin head, he’d have gotten the needle.


35 posted on 12/12/2017 6:37:05 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: marktwain

This case reeks of injustice. First, illegals should not have the rights granted citizens. Further, citizens should not be required to pay some scummy lawyer to defend the illegal scumbag. The judge should have allowed the jury access to the illegal’s past criminal history. Lastly, the jury should have found the illegal guilty of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter or negligent homicide. This case is a total miscarriage of justice.


36 posted on 12/12/2017 6:48:01 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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37 posted on 12/12/2017 6:58:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This forum is a Doug Jones free zone! Go Roy Moore!)
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To: lakecumberlandvet; All

Further, citizens should not be required to pay some scummy lawyer to defend the illegal scumbag.


San Francisco went all out to defend Zarate. The head of the public defenders office, Matt Gonzalez, was just the top of the defense counsel given to him. Lawyer Matt Gonzalez is a hero of the left in San Francisco, he was on the Board of Supervisors, and was nearly elected mayor.

City Public Defender Jeff Adachi represented Garcia Zarate at his first court appearance in July 2015 but quickly handed the case to Gonzalez.

“I knew Matt as a fearless trial lawyer who cared very much about the clients of the office,” Adachi said about his hiring Gonzalez as his top deputy in 2011. “He treats everyone with respect regardless of whether you’re a politician or homeless.”

Gonzalez won a seat on the Board of Supervisors, San Francisco’s equivalent to a city council, in 2000 after switching his party affiliation from Democratic to Green in the middle of the race.

While on the board, he helped pass a law that significantly limited the number of retail chain stores in the city and raised his profile in the progressive community by battling the administration of Mayor Willie Brown.

He became a hero of the city’s left when he gave a serious challenge in the 2003 mayor’s race to Gavin Newsom, who is now California’s lieutenant governor and among the front-runners in the governor’s race.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-acquitted-san-francisco-shooting-lucky-lawyer-51528671


38 posted on 12/12/2017 7:01:04 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

If you are a citizen with a concealed carry permit or a law enforcement officer who carries off duty, you should buy and install a lockbox to put your pistol in when you need to leave it in your vehicle. These are not expensive. Mine is a little metal keylock case that has a cable attached which can be wrapped around a place in the vehicle like where your passenger side front seat is attached to the floor. Yes, it can be cut off but it at least delays or deterrs a snatch and grab guy.


39 posted on 12/12/2017 7:24:12 AM PST by RicocheT (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: marktwain

“While unlikely that an off duty BLM officer would be arrested and jailed, the possibility of being detained was real.”

Not really.

I routinely carry a pistol in SF.

The only potential for “being detained” is if somebody sees it and keeps an eye on you until police arrive. In that busy city, not likely.

Even then, a quick flash of the badge receives a sincere apology from any LEO.


40 posted on 12/12/2017 8:04:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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