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NRA-Republican Backed Bill Makes it Easier for Feds to Disarm Citizens
Mises Institute ^ | 12/8/2017 | Tho Bishop

Posted on 12/09/2017 5:13:20 PM PST by Mafe

On Wednesday, the Republican controlled house voted to further federalize gun laws in this country. While Ryan McMaken has noted the danger in further centralizing gun legislation, there is another deeply troubling aspect to this bill: it expands the ability of the Federal government to restrict Americans’ right to bear arms.

During the legislative process, the NRA supported merging the bill aimed at nationalizing concealed carry permits with another piece of legislation aimed at “fixing” the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS.) Obviously this legislation was inspired by the failure of the US Air Force to report the criminal record of Devin Kelley, who went on to commit a horrific shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas. While the motivation to do something after this atrocity is entirely natural, unfortunately this bill is simply another example of the Federal government using its own failure to justify expanding its own power.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; govtabuse; gun; nra; secondamendment; tyranny
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I understand his concern, however he never says exactly how the Feds could use this Act against gun owners. If You have any theories as to how, please share.
1 posted on 12/09/2017 5:13:21 PM PST by Mafe
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If you haven’t recently strolled through any - ANY - federal bureaucrat office and seen the fat, low-IQ squishes squatting at their desks, eating jumbo bags of chips and gulping down half-gallon bottles of pop, you need to take a tour.

Then ask yourself this question: If I were a grunt officer, would I want to take these jellyfish onto a field of combat?


2 posted on 12/09/2017 5:24:49 PM PST by sergeantdave
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I have to say there is a real downside to concealed carry if it is authorized by law.

In my state, and if you have a concealed carry permit, any violations are a felony, where as for a non-permit holder, the same violations are a misdemeanor.


3 posted on 12/09/2017 5:32:25 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Mafe

I would like to remind you that:

There is no situation so dire, so unpleasant, so untenable that the government can not make worse.

Although our present system of permit issue has some faults, much progress has been made in recent years and will continue to be made if we can keep the federal government out of it.


4 posted on 12/09/2017 5:36:19 PM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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I’m pretty sure that it still would call for a national PERMIT. I have not read into what goes into getting the permit. My state is pretty easy. Fill out a form (name, convictions, etc.), get fingerprinted, then wait 30 days while they do the paperwork. The permit is good for five years. ($35 iirc).

If it is a permit that requires six weeks of training, $1 million insurance coverage, annual re-certification process, etc. -— well, it better not be.

(I suppose I COULD research the actual proposed wording. Maybe.)


5 posted on 12/09/2017 5:37:49 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: Mafe

I’m initially wary of any federal expansion..but if you can’t trust the NRA, we’re done.ha


6 posted on 12/09/2017 5:37:59 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: 21twelve

Can we see a copy of your National Drivers License?


7 posted on 12/09/2017 5:41:30 PM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: Mafe
One partial way would be to allow the government unlimited time to respond to a requested background check and require completion before any person could take possession of the firearm.

You'll get your background check done when I damn well please.

8 posted on 12/09/2017 5:44:10 PM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: 21twelve

Fact: Any right you have to get a permit to exercise, isn’t a right you have.


9 posted on 12/09/2017 5:45:14 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Mafe

Like so much in America, the Federal government has no right to restrict firearm ownership. What part of the 2nd Amendment do the Deep State permanent bureaucracy not understand?!


10 posted on 12/09/2017 5:56:02 PM PST by nickedknack
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Federalizing ensures we all get equal application and respect for our Constitutional rights, which is not happening at state and local level. This is good. Can always amend late, get us this bill now, before Christmas!!!


11 posted on 12/09/2017 6:04:31 PM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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If they ignore the RKBA as completely as they do ‘enumerated powers,’ might as well cut that amendment out of the Constitution.


12 posted on 12/09/2017 6:12:20 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: nickedknack
Like so much in America, the Federal government has no right to restrict firearm ownership.

The government has no rights, period. Rights are inherent in the people. The government has powers, that are granted it by the people.
13 posted on 12/09/2017 6:21:39 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Reno89519

Yeah, because the baker who won’t bake a fag wedding cake is getting the same constitutional rights as the fags.....


14 posted on 12/09/2017 6:32:57 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: nickedknack
What part of the 2nd Amendment do the Deep State permanent bureaucracy not understand?!

They understand the 2nd Amendment just fine. They don't care. They want to disarm you and enslave you ... Constitution be damned.

15 posted on 12/09/2017 6:38:57 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: old curmudgeon; All

Agreed. Let the states work reciprocity amongst themselves.


16 posted on 12/09/2017 6:55:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: old curmudgeon
Although our present system of permit issue has some faults, much progress has been made in recent years and will continue to be made if we can keep the federal government out of it.

Agreed. There will be plenty of unintended consequences to the national reciprocity bill. Like "may issue" states become "no issue" and the like. If it passes, I predict the Supreme Court will knock it down, 7-2 or even 9-0.

I've read the "Fix NICS" bill and do not see anything nefarious in it. Federal Agencies need to report their dregs like the States do.

17 posted on 12/09/2017 7:10:25 PM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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Obviously this legislation was inspired by the failure of the US Air Force to report the criminal record of Devin Kelley,...

Not obvious to me. This legislation has been in the works for a long time.

18 posted on 12/09/2017 7:23:45 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: Svartalfiar

>>The government has no rights, period. Rights are inherent in the people. The government has powers, that are granted it by the people.<<

Exactly.


19 posted on 12/09/2017 7:39:48 PM PST by nickedknack
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To: IndispensableDestiny

I favor the idea of a National Concealed Carry License, which people would obtain from the federal government. National Concealed Carry might have the same unintended consequences as this bill, but I don’t think a National CCL would. Think about it - it wouldn’t require states to recognize one another’s permits, and since your state wouldn’t be the one to give you the license, they couldn’t deny you it. The only downside to that would be that a liberal administration might deny people who apply for the license, which compared to a lot of things doesn’t sound that bad.


20 posted on 12/09/2017 7:41:40 PM PST by Mafe
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