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The Disney Channel Is No Longer Safe For Our Kids
New York Post ^ | December 8, 2017 | Julie Gunlock

Posted on 12/08/2017 8:52:27 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: savagesusie

So, tell me, why is it that Voltaire and Diderot’s plan, which as I just proved with those points literally BANKED on a vast majority of French people having literacy, managed to gin up a mob? They read, they believed every word they said, they got the French Revolution and reign of terror. That means books definitely can cause brain rot and brainwashing just as much as TV does. Heck, just look at Muslim hordes, who were very literate with the Quran. They weren’t good people at all, especially not the likes of al Qaida or those groups.

And a large part of the reason the French Revolution and Reign of Terror existed is ALSO because of people who read books. Again, just look at Timothy Dwight’s sermon on Independence Day 1799, he makes that VERY clear when he detailed Voltaire and Diderot’s diabolical plan to usurp Christianity, 2/3rds of which literally required literacy among the masses to even work. If what you say is true, and that literacy = people not being fooled and being very intelligent to see through lies, that whole plan would have massively backfired on Voltaire and Diderot and resulted in the Christians going over to their houses and rounding them up for execution after publishing their books, and even the king turning on them. It would never have succeeded. It’s pretty obvious that they weren’t illiterate if the plan worked, considering being literate was a key requirement to the plan’s success. If they were truly illiterate, they’d be like Krusty here: https://youtu.be/v_2J3H4q4iw?t=98


41 posted on 12/11/2017 11:55:33 AM PST by otness_e
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To: savagesusie

So, tell me, why is it that Voltaire and Diderot’s plan, which as I just proved with those points literally BANKED on a vast majority of French people having literacy, managed to gin up a mob? They read, they believed every word they said, they got the French Revolution and reign of terror. That means books definitely can cause brain rot and brainwashing just as much as TV does. Heck, just look at Muslim hordes, who were very literate with the Quran. They weren’t good people at all, especially not the likes of al Qaida or those groups.

And a large part of the reason the French Revolution and Reign of Terror existed is ALSO because of people who read books. Again, just look at Timothy Dwight’s sermon on Independence Day 1799, he makes that VERY clear when he detailed Voltaire and Diderot’s diabolical plan to usurp Christianity, 2/3rds of which literally required literacy among the masses to even work. If what you say is true, and that literacy = people not being fooled and being very intelligent to see through lies, that whole plan would have massively backfired on Voltaire and Diderot and resulted in the Christians going over to their houses and rounding them up for execution after publishing their books, and even the king turning on them. It would never have succeeded. It’s pretty obvious that they weren’t illiterate if the plan worked, considering being literate was a key requirement to the plan’s success. If they were truly illiterate, they’d be like Krusty here: https://youtu.be/v_2J3H4q4iw?t=98


42 posted on 12/11/2017 11:55:41 AM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e

And just so you’re aware, I AM indeed aware about how only Christianity brought about innocence, how children were often abused before then, and I’m also aware of how much of a complete scumbag Rousseau was to his own kids, so you don’t need to remind me (heck, he even admitted as much in his books). I’m also fully aware of how abused children tend to grow up to become psychopaths (not all do, though. Karl Marx had a standard childhood yet STILL turned out psychotic).


43 posted on 12/11/2017 11:57:44 AM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e

There is a difference in being literate and wise. The people in occults like the Rothschild and Rockefeller families-—like the bloodlines (Deep State) running the world, have far more knowledge and wisdom then the so-called literate, programmed person, who is totally programmed through their evil system of brainwashing (public skools). Most parents hand their little children to the system to be dehumanized, as I type so their brains are destroyed and virtue eliminated. The parents do it willingly as Fichte stated they would—to make their children into happy slaves of the state.

Samuel Adams, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Lincoln weren’t in a brainwashing system, they read the Bible and TONS of BOOKS, like those of John Milton and Cicero, Plato, Aristotle, Dante, Locke, Adam Smith, and . were NOT in the system of brainwashing and Mind Control like we have with Common Core and Race to the Top which fills the mind with garbage and eliminates the ability to think like our Founders. It is designed to kill “free will” and make people into “human” beings with an unshakeable conviction that “snow is black” (Fichte 1810): totally irrational—removed from Reality like the French Philosophers who killed or starved all their children like Rousseau by neglect and being immoral (evil).

The psychologists devised the Prussian massive indoctrination system to control all the masses which Horace Mann brought into the USA and then, the evil John Dewey destroyed the Classical Curricula (the ONLY one which gives people wisdom and free will (choice))

France—the first godless country who changed Notre Dame into the “Temple of Reason” were sodomites and satanists (godless) who performed orgies with children on the altar—that is/was their worldview of Christianity at that time France was the first to dump the Christian worldview for irrational satanism (godlessness) and Napoleon who was well-read by age 10 could easily take over for the French peasants (not literate) killed everyone who read books. The most well read becomes the wisest and leaders in any culture and the ignorant, less read masses follow like sheep. We are herd animals. Mobs are run by emotions and rhetoric only—not the intellect as Scocrates knew thousands of years ago because he read all the known books—and recommended EVERYONE to READ if they wanted to be FREE and have a well-examined life.

Germany and the rest of Europe threw out God and Modernism after France-—for Marxism and the French philosopher worldview—(slavery/brainwashing system of mass control of the useful idiots—cattle). They threw out Modernism for Diderot’s godless, evil Postmodernism of Marxism, Malthusianism, and Socialism (total slavery of the elites).

We in USA with John Dewey, the evil communist, totally through OUT Modernism (Classical Education/Shekespeare/Aristotle /Cicero/Plutarch for the irrationality and evil systems of slavery (the French philosophers who were EVIL and GODLESS-—wanted to “kill God” (That “God is Dead” cabal).

They wanted to literally destroy Christianity which created the Age of Reason in Europe and the USA. The US Constitution is the ONLY one which protects (supposed to) Individual Natural Rights which ONLY come from God, the Creator and NOT the State. We threw out Rule of Law (God’s Law/Higher Laws) for John Austin’s utilitarianism and the evil ideas of that stuffed Jeremy Bentham: utilitarianism and pragmatism of William James. All anti constitutional. It destroyed the idea of Objective Truth-—Rule of Law-—for the irrational French moral relativism (where Good is Evil and Boys are Girls and Up is Down and Snow is Black) which will collapse all cultures according to the brilliant mind of Cicero (and the MOST well-read man of his time). Study HIM sometime-—NOT the evil, godless French philosophers who destoyed Europe and that filthy philosophy floated over to the USA to destroy us. (It was designed to destroy the sheeple by the elites—it is ALL planned and weaponized against our children).

Ideas MATTER-—godless people are EVIL-—always if they believe in the irrational rantings of Diderot and Foucault and Marx and Engels and Darwin and Malthus-—the cr*p that is being forced into the worldview of our children with PP now and sodomy “Pride”, where the Bible is BANNED and MOCKED as is Truth. The writing of Cicero, Aristotle (Father of Logic), John Milton, Boethius, Dante, St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas was BANNED from “skools” decades ago—to erase the philosophy which gave us the Scholastic era, the US Constitution, Rule of Law, and Christianity.

Yes, ideas MATTER. What you put into your MIND matters. Today we are stuffing evil philosophy into the minds of our children-—we BANNED the TRUTH with John Dewey in the evil, vile Prussian brainwashing system and with the perverts and satanists that controlled Hollywood from the beginning.


44 posted on 12/13/2017 9:47:56 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: otness_e

You mischaracterize Jefferson and his ideology. Was he flawed. Yes. It is not possible to be otherwise and be human. But his basic ideology can be only be found by the analysis of all he wrote and books written, not by a few written documents. As a young lawyer he tried to get a bill passed to end slavery in the colony of Virginia so that he could release his slaves without being a felon. Now he is called a “hypocrite” by the Marxist progressives-—which can’t be further from the truth.

He knew the evil of the elites in France and the poverty which was caused by the elites (well-read—yes-—the leaders are always the well-read because the sheeple only are run and controlled by emotions only—never intellect). The masses were ignorant in France. It was more elitist than Germany and the Encyclopedia, has much in it that was evil and twisted and perverse. Do you think it was the “pinnacle” of Reason-—no—it was the beginning of the the END of the Age of Reason for Postmodernism (total irrationality).

The Kings would create all the wars for their treasury, etc., to use the masses as fodder and destroy the peasants. Jefferson understood the dignity of work for man and a necessity to be human and free—and understood that you can NEVER be free if you do not do your Natural Duties which is the foundation of our Constitution. With Natural Rights from God ALWAYS come Natural Duties. The elites were effete and refused to work and used the masses in horrible, dehumanizing ways.....so I understand Jefferson’s “thinking” which was very popular at the time. But with later analysis, he realized that the Lockean philosophy of private property NEVER existed with the French-—who were collectivists only, which Jefferson knew would lead ONLY to tyranny and slavery of the masses.

Reading the Koran is NOT equivalent to the Bible at all—not even close. The Bible is based on proven truth by history of human nature without God. Koran just programs and doesn’t create “thinkers” because it is full of contradictions and irrational. The Bible is based on reality and history and real events. The West was based on the Law of non-Constradiction which created Modern Science and the Age of Reason and our Constitution and the Mind of Jefferson. The Koran throws out reason—bans it-—for complete slavery and submission to a pedophile and sadist’s irrational rantings.


45 posted on 12/13/2017 10:10:13 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: savagesusie

Funny you should mention Locke. Want to know who ELSE read John Locke? It was Jean-Jacques Rousseau, aka, one of those post-modernist people you decried. And for the record, Liberty the God that Failed has quite a bit of stuff condemning Locke as being no different than Hobbes in his aims.

And BTW, Benjamin Franklin, who ironically was one of the first people to condemn the French Revolution, was a huge fan of Voltaire. And as The American Catholic pointed out, and that book Liberty the God that Failed, Jefferson and Paine, possibly even Benjamin Franklin, also had some degree of support for the French Revolution’s excesses.

And for the record, I fully agree with you that what the French enlightenment did was terrible, as is the whole Common Core and Race to the Top stuff. However, what you’re failing to recognize is that the Philosophes made SURE that their ideas spread to even the Peasantry (why ELSE would they distribute those books to the so-called “illiterate peasants”? That wouldn’t work if they were truly as illiterate as you claimed them to be), hence the six-step plan that Dwight warned people about in 1799. And for the record, I went to Oglethorpe, a private university, mostly because it was the closest place there since I feared highways, and the only other viable place, Georgia State, was literally composed of a city block. That ALSO tried to do leftist brainwashing on everyone, and that wasn’t even a public school place, but a private one.

And for the record, I also fully agree with you on how disgusting those philosophies are, and how they are going to cause a LOT of death and destruction, and how they should be removed. But the reason those ideas are even spread is BECAUSE of literacy. That’s what you’re failing to grasp. And for the record, we’ve got plenty of movies and stuff that PROMOTE the kinds of stuff you would approve of. Like for example, these lists:

*http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies

*http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Video_Games

And let me remind you that it was Jefferson who advocated for the same ideologies that KILLED France as a Christian country. If you’re going to condemn them, you might as well condemn Jefferson since he if anything was their ALLY. Look at the Adam and Eve Letter.


46 posted on 12/13/2017 1:58:35 PM PST by otness_e
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To: savagesusie

Whether he was “flawed” or not is not the question, and it’s NOT mischaracterization. Plenty of sources have backed up what he has done regarding the French Revolution, supporting it and acting like its cheerleader. I have NO intention of supporting a man who gleefully supported the same guys who slaughtered us Christians like pigs, and most certainly was fully aware of what they were doing (remember, he was in FRANCE at the time). And for the record, one of the guys who condemned him, Christopher A. Ferrara, is no Marxist, and if anything was so far to the right in Catholicism he denies there being any popes after Pius X.

And for the record, the poor in France could read (how do you THINK Voltaire’s plan worked?! The plan specifically called for the books to be made cheaply and distributed to all men of all classes. The only way they could do that is if even the likes of peasants were literate. And besides, how can they be bible-reading Christians if they can’t even read the bible?). And for the record, like I said, Jefferson and Paine SUPPORTED them. And Locke’s philosophy actually was used for the French Revolutionaries.

And for the record, considering he witnessed the first Bastille Day, he WAS a collectivist anarchist in reality. Otherwise, he would have condemned the Jacobins and even advocated that America go to war with the French and kill the Jacobins. It should say a lot when John Adams and Alexander Hamilton saw right through the Jacobins, even Washington got a good hint with the September Massacres.

And BTW, individualism =/= good. In fact, I’d argue that individualism and collectivism are ALL bad, and we are created solely to be Slaves to God. Need I remind you that the likes of Voltaire and Sartre were individualists (held absolute unrestrained freedom of the individual to be of the highest good) and yet promoted complete amorality?

And for the record, it may not be the bible, and I would never advocate for reading the Quran, or the Talmud for that matter which is just AS bad, but it STILL proves they are literate, which is the crux of the argument. You want actual illiteracy, again, watch how Krusty couldn’t even recognize the letter “B”, much less read a paper or book.


47 posted on 12/13/2017 2:07:18 PM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e

The poor of France read propaganda. They were NOT well-read. They read the CR@P that the elites wanted them to read only (like people consume the elite Marxists cr*p today in our public skool system which only indoctrinates with their vile French progressive and Marxist worldview which is anathema to Christianity, free will, private property rights, Rule of Law (Higher Law/God’s Law) and individual natural rights from God——all subscribed or written by Jefferson, by the way.

Jefferson was a Lockean, if anything, which was anti-Voltaire and anti-Rousseau, the one whose 5 kids were dead by age one because of his VILE no “Natural Marriage” Marxist ideology. No Natural Duties to any offspring which is crucial to our Constitution and Natural Rights. Natural Duties can NOT be separated from Natural Rights and our Constitution (which the evil Marxists on our courts did). That was endorsed and stated by Locke and Jefferson.

No person is perfect. Just like St. Paul who killed Christians. Do ;YOU hate what he says, too????????? when he actually KILLED Christians??? Do you reject all his epistles in the Bible because he was misled??????? Read Jefferson’s later works-—he understood and HATES collectivist philosophy which denies private property rights. The French Revolution was a collectivist event, same as Pol Pot-—killing all the people with glasses because THEY would be the ONLY ones who could de-throne him.

Stupid people/sheeple/brainwashed people like the French are FOLLOWERS ONLY. They are led by RHETORIC ONLY-—no intellectual philosophy could be understood by the mob-—the vile peasants who tore down and destroyed everything in their wake, even killed little children. You do know that the released Marquis de Sade who raped little boys, don’t you? They loved that pervert. Their only ideology was the ROT that broke from Lockean and Classical philosophy. Collectivist ideology of the French is a group-(non)-think-only ideology antithetical to individualism which is what Jefferson ONLY endorsed


48 posted on 12/13/2017 8:06:03 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: otness_e

Don’t be so obtuse and irrational (like the French). Look how many people read the Bible and disagree with the Bible and WARP IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Just like the French did with Locke!!!!. Look how many THOUSANDS of Protestant groups formed thousands of “new” “Christian” religions which disagreed with everyone else.

Jefferson understood EXACTLY what Locke wrote....EXACTLY. He understood how essential Natural Law Theory is to Reality and God’s design of the world which led to Modern Science and the idea of individualism-—individual Natural Rights only from God which came from Christianity only-—Common Law and the Magna Carta which developed the ideas of Free Will and individualism. French were collectivists-—group (non) thinkers only. They wanted to smash the family and marriage (like Godwin wrote) for communes. They worked and “thought” in a collective hedonist echo chamber. Hedonism was “freedom”. Their “Liberty” was liberty from Natural Duties and God’s Laws-—and I admit, it fooled Jefferson for awhile. His idea of “Liberty” was alien to the French.

That is why debate of ideas is CRUCIAL-—to get to a higher Truth. Locke was not as great and perfect as Thomas Aquinas on Natural Law, but he was up there-—unlike the unnatural, irrational Voltaire and Rousseau who warped everything-—esp. Christian understanding of Natural Law Theory (which is the basis of Locke and Jefferson and enshrined in our Declaration which is over 80% Lockean Philosophy).


49 posted on 12/13/2017 8:33:43 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: nickcarraway

“No longer”? Whoever writes this stuff is an out-of-touch idiot. The Disney Channel has been anti-family filth for 20+ years at this point. No Disney in our house. No trips to Disney for our family, ever.


50 posted on 12/13/2017 8:39:09 PM PST by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: otness_e

I love and agree with Jefferson’s Adam and Eve letter. Shows his love for (true) Liberty v. slavery/serfdom of kings and tyrants. He understands the human need of freedom and that slavery is worse than even losing one’s life if fighting for freedom for one’s posterity.

Jefferson would be turning in his grave if he saw that we allowed our Constitution to be trashed by 1913. That the French were deluded and sold on a twisted false version of “liberty” (tyranny/slavery) is not Jefferson’s fault.

The evil few people in charge of the French Revolution planned it all and didn’t divulge their plans, especially to Jefferson, but the uncontrollable ignorant mob ruined their evil plans, although they won in the long run.


51 posted on 12/13/2017 9:09:01 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: otness_e

Hollywood promotes Satanism and highly sexualizes little children to destroy virtue formation. They are far from “natural” and have no common sense which only comes from Natural Law Theory.

Wikipedia is controlled-—I have found so many lies and twisted, warped information on it, it disgusts me.

If you studied Wittgenstein you would understand how Words matter. How ideas and connotations and associations are created simply with “words” and now with visuals/TV. The Deep State has controlled ALL our institutions since 1930s-—which is Mind Control of the masses. As Lenin stated, give the State your children for just four years and you will own them for life. We give OUR children to the State for 12 years and they come out dumb as stumps and snowflakes-—just brainwashed ideologues who can not process facts, Truth (God) or anything of substance since it causes “cognitive dissonance” in useful idiots. (brainwashed masses).

All TV is to highly sexualize young children which warps sexual identity formation and fixates children in puerile stages of development. That is why socialists like Bernie Sanders lived in his parent’s basement masturbating until age 40. Socialists don’t believe in Natural Law and Natural Duties or marriage and the family unit which is the foundation of all civil flourishing societies.

If you would read the Nichomachean Ethics of Aristotle (which Jefferson did) you would realize that moral formation in little children is essential and it is ONLY done in the Natural Family—never in a group (non) think Prussian syled mass indoctrination system which the communist John Dewey forced onto all our children to create minds that could not process truth (God) or facts——just emotions-—feel good, it is good.


52 posted on 12/13/2017 9:23:20 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: savagesusie

“The poor of France read propaganda. They were NOT well-read. They read the CR@P that the elites wanted them to read only (like people consume the elite Marxists cr*p today in our public skool system which only indoctrinates with their vile French progressive and Marxist worldview which is anathema to Christianity, free will, private property rights, Rule of Law (Higher Law/God’s Law) and individual natural rights from God——all subscribed or written by Jefferson, by the way.”

Actually, Jefferson actually thought the Jacobins represented liberty far more than the Constituional Convention, he wasn’t even INVOLVED in the Constitutional Convention, being in France as the American ambassador. And BTW, part of the reason we even HAD an independent nation in the first place was because King Louis XVI was the one who aided us in the first place. And some Americans at least recognized it. Bourbon Country in Kentucky, for example, was named after the Bourbonnes, the family King Louis XVI belonged to. He could have helped Louis XVI, if for no other reason than as gratitude that he helped America become independent. Instead, he aided the baying mob known as the Jacobins. Don’t take it from me, read these articles:

*https://bostonpamphlet.org/2015/08/03/170/#more-170

*https://the-american-catholic.com/2016/07/14/july-14-1789-first-bastille-day/

And for the record, Jefferson was literally present on that day, and saw with his own eyes what was going on at Bastille, and continued to support them even AFTER the September Massacres occurred. This is in fact what he reported of the event:

“On the 14th, they send one of their members (Monsieur de Corny, whom we knew in America) to the Hotel des Invalides to ask arms for their Garde Bourgeoise. He was followed by, or he found there, a great mob. The Governor of the Invalids came out and represented the impossibility of his delivering arms without the orders of those from whom he received them.

“De Corney advised the people then to retire, retired himself, and the people took possession of the arms. It was remarkable that not only the Invalids themselves made no opposition, but that a body of 5000 foreign troops, encamped within 400 yards, never stirred.

“Monsieur de Corny and five others were then sent to ask arms of Monsieur de Launai, Governor of the Bastille. They found a great collection of people already before the place, and they immediately planted a flag of truce, which was answered by a like flag hoisted on the parapet. The deputation prevailed on the people to fall back a little, advanced themselves to make their demand of the Governor, and in that instant a discharge from the Bastille killed 4. people of those nearest to the deputies. The deputies retired, the people rushed against the place, and almost in an instant were in possession of a fortification, defended by 100 men, of infinite strength, which in other times had stood several regular sieges and had never been taken. How they got in, has as yet been impossible to discover. Those, who pretend to have been of the party tell so many different stories as to destroy the credit of them all.

“They took all the arms, discharged the prisoners and such of the garrison as were not killed in the first moment of fury, carried the Governor and Lieutenant governor to the Greve (the place of public execution) cut off their heads, and set them through the city in triumph to the Palais royal.

“About the same instant, a treacherous correspondence having been discovered in Monsieur de Flesselles prevot des marchands, they seize him in the hotel de ville, where he was in the exercise of his office, and cut off his head.

“These events carried imperfectly to Versailles were the subject of two successive deputations from the States to the King, to both of which he gave dry and hard answers, for it has transpired that it had been proposed and agitated in Council to seize on the principal members of the States general, to march the whole army down upon Paris and to suppress it’s tumults by the sword. But at night the Duke de Liancourt forced his way into the king’s bedchamber, and obliged him to hear a full and animated detail of the disasters of the day in Paris. He went to bed deeply impressed.”

So no, Jefferson is NOT at all comparable to St Paul at all, does not even DESERVE to be compared to him. If anything, he’s comparable to the guys who ginned up the mob to crucify Jesus.

Also, I suggest you read this book review of Liberty the God that Failed while you’re at it:

*http://catholicism.org/liberty-the-god-that-failed.html

And this as well:

http://catholicism.org/enlightenment-not-over.html

“Jefferson was a Lockean, if anything, which was anti-Voltaire and anti-Rousseau, the one whose 5 kids were dead by age one because of his VILE no “Natural Marriage” Marxist ideology. No Natural Duties to any offspring which is crucial to our Constitution and Natural Rights. Natural Duties can NOT be separated from Natural Rights and our Constitution (which the evil Marxists on our courts did). That was endorsed and stated by Locke and Jefferson.”

In case you haven’t noticed, Rousseau’s whole General Will came directly from Locke’s Social Contract. Heck, Jefferson was even one of the key drafters of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, which if I must remind you was based directly on the ideas of Rousseau and Voltaire. If anything, he would have SUPPORTED Rousseau’s ideas.

“No person is perfect. Just like St. Paul who killed Christians. Do ;YOU hate what he says, too????????? when he actually KILLED Christians??? Do you reject all his epistles in the Bible because he was misled??????? Read Jefferson’s later works-—he understood and HATES collectivist philosophy which denies private property rights. The French Revolution was a collectivist event, same as Pol Pot-—killing all the people with glasses because THEY would be the ONLY ones who could de-throne him.”

St. Paul at least acknowledged he made a mistake during his trip to Damascus and meeting Jesus and stopped supporting the Pharisees. Jefferson hadn’t even renounced the Jacobin ideology. Heck, if anything, he called George Washington, of ALL people, an “apostate of Liberty.” And for the record, that was all talk. Want to know what happened when he took office after promising he wouldn’t try to bring about the same Federalist policies as John Adams? Same thing that happened when Woodrow Wilson and FDR campaigned to keep America out of WWI and WWII, he not only reneigned on his campaign promises but if anything doubled down on Adams’ federalist policies the second he took office. “We are all Federalists now!” That in itself IS statist and collectivist in all but name. And he also supported the Whiskey Rebellions, as my sources have shown you.

“Stupid people/sheeple/brainwashed people like the French are FOLLOWERS ONLY. They are led by RHETORIC ONLY-—no intellectual philosophy could be understood by the mob-—the vile peasants who tore down and destroyed everything in their wake, even killed little children. You do know that the released Marquis de Sade who raped little boys, don’t you? They loved that pervert. Their only ideology was the ROT that broke from Lockean and Classical philosophy. Collectivist ideology of the French is a group-(non)-think-only ideology antithetical to individualism which is what Jefferson ONLY endorsed”

That “rot” came directly FROM Locke. Maybe you should read up on these sources:

*http://distributistreview.com/liberty-god-that-failed/

*http://distributistreview.com/review-liberty-god-that-failed-part-ii/

And BTW, that also revealed what Jefferson tried to push as well.

And BTW, I am fully aware of what Marquis de Sade tried to push, and how much of a sick, disgusting individual that guy was whose books should have been burned and him executed. But guess what, those people READ the books, that by definition means they are LITERATE. The entire POINT of being literate is being able to read the books, understand them enough to know what they say in them.


53 posted on 12/14/2017 7:28:01 AM PST by otness_e
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To: savagesusie

“Don’t be so obtuse and irrational (like the French). Look how many people read the Bible and disagree with the Bible and WARP IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Just like the French did with Locke!!!!. Look how many THOUSANDS of Protestant groups formed thousands of “new” “Christian” religions which disagreed with everyone else.”

Apparently, you have completely forgotten that Locke promoted much of the same things as Rousseau. Just read Liberty: The God that Failed, and you’ll see exactly what he promoted, which actually IS godlessness. And again, the whole “General Will” was created specifically because of Locke’s Social Contract. And just an FYI, what France originally was is the Oldest Sister of Rome, it was in fact the most religious country in Catholic Europe outside of Rome, Italy. In fact, it was so religious that one of the prior Popes actually considered moving the Vatican Headquarters to France during the Middle Ages before one of the nuns talked him out of it.

“Jefferson understood EXACTLY what Locke wrote....EXACTLY. He understood how essential Natural Law Theory is to Reality and God’s design of the world which led to Modern Science and the idea of individualism-—individual Natural Rights only from God which came from Christianity only-—Common Law and the Magna Carta which developed the ideas of Free Will and individualism. French were collectivists-—group (non) thinkers only. They wanted to smash the family and marriage (like Godwin wrote) for communes. They worked and “thought” in a collective hedonist echo chamber. Hedonism was “freedom”. Their “Liberty” was liberty from Natural Duties and God’s Laws-—and I admit, it fooled Jefferson for awhile. His idea of “Liberty” was alien to the French.”

I know what Locke wrote, I know because I’ve read Liberty the God that Failed, written by a staunchly conservative Catholic, and what Locke called for is for the same thing as Hobbes. What I stand for is Christendom, in other words, a Christian Empire, ruled by God alone, where all of humanity are enslaved to God and exist for His whims alone. And again, the French were NEVER hedonists before the Enlightenment. Actually, quite the opposite, they were staunchly religious, the most religious nation in Europe outside of the Vatican in Rome, Italy. And I’ve also read the American Catholic, which isn’t fond of Jefferson at all (though they DEFINITELY are fond of George Washington).

“That is why debate of ideas is CRUCIAL-—to get to a higher Truth. Locke was not as great and perfect as Thomas Aquinas on Natural Law, but he was up there-—unlike the unnatural, irrational Voltaire and Rousseau who warped everything-—esp. Christian understanding of Natural Law Theory (which is the basis of Locke and Jefferson and enshrined in our Declaration which is over 80% Lockean Philosophy).”

I’ll give you Thomas Aquinas, he definitely attempted to bring about reason in the truly Christian sense, but in case you haven’t noticed, Locke ALSO tried to warp Christian views, he wanted, like Hobbes, to make Leviathan occur, and believed in mobs. This was in Liberty: The God that Failed.


54 posted on 12/14/2017 7:41:19 AM PST by otness_e
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“I love and agree with Jefferson’s Adam and Eve letter. Shows his love for (true) Liberty v. slavery/serfdom of kings and tyrants. He understands the human need of freedom and that slavery is worse than even losing one’s life if fighting for freedom for one’s posterity.

Jefferson would be turning in his grave if he saw that we allowed our Constitution to be trashed by 1913. That the French were deluded and sold on a twisted false version of “liberty” (tyranny/slavery) is not Jefferson’s fault.

The evil few people in charge of the French Revolution planned it all and didn’t divulge their plans, especially to Jefferson, but the uncontrollable ignorant mob ruined their evil plans, although they won in the long run.”

Yes, actually, it IS Jefferson’s fault that the French Revolution turned out the way it did. It should have been as obvious as day when Jefferson witnessed Bastille. He should remember enough of the War of Independence that he created to know that the American Minutemen NEVER attempted to decapitate and parade his head in a city. And in case you’ve forgotten, King Louis XVI was one of the reasons why we Americans are an independent country. He could have at least defended him, to repay him for his role in America’s independence from Great Britain. The guys in charge didn’t need to divulge his plans to him, the mob’s actions during Bastille Day should have been a pretty big hint that it was not similar at all to our own (in America, we actually used a court trial with John Adams, also against the British, actully defending them in court. That alone is a pretty stark difference from Bastille Day). Even Ann Coulter in her book Demonic criticized Jefferson and Paine for supporting the Jacobins. And that letter was actually written in solidarity to the Jacobins, and he already got an idea what they and their ilk was like with Bastille Day. Had it been me in Jefferson’s shoes, I would have condemned them for Bastille Day, NOT sing praises for them and even go so far as to claim that Washington was an apostate of Liberty.

Heck, John Adams in that video on The American Catholic made clear he knew the French Revolutionaries were going to spell carnage to everyone, and unlike Jefferson, he didn’t even set foot in France. It’s actually kind of sad that a guy who didn’t even WITNESS Bastille Day was able to accurately predict right from the start how it would be a disaster, while Thomas Jefferson, who actually WAS on-site at the location, cheerleaded the whole movement right up to and even beyond the September Massacres contrary to the other Founding Fathers.


55 posted on 12/14/2017 7:51:21 AM PST by otness_e
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To: savagesusie

“Hollywood promotes Satanism and highly sexualizes little children to destroy virtue formation. They are far from “natural” and have no common sense which only comes from Natural Law Theory.”

Not all of Hollywood does that. Disney’s Sleeping Beauty for example actually CODNEMNS Satanism, same with Snow White. And let’s not forget the production of The War of the Vendee (the film premise is obvious from the title, and Vendee is depicted as the good guys. It’s also family friendly, too.). There’s also Mr. Deeds, which promoted Capitalism, Robots, which was pro family and pro Capitalism and the American Dream, and Big Daddy if anything was a massive promotion of fatherhood as a theme, and had a neat takedown of feminism. And let’s not forget about those military films, either.

“Wikipedia is controlled-—I have found so many lies and twisted, warped information on it, it disgusts me.”

Oh, I agree that Wikipedia is a horrible source of information (there are plenty of articles that treat Castro as being a good guy rather than the sick monster he was). However, I specifically mentioned Conservapedia, which is a Conservative site. Also, there are a few Hollywood films that actually DO promote Christian, conservative values. Like, for example, The Dark Knight Trilogy, which promoted Capitalism, a bit of Christianity, and had condemnation against the French Revolution-style ideologies of nihilism and anarchy. Another example of this is The Lion King, which had biblical elements in the story, dealt with reconciliation and honoring your father, and in fact Scar even resembled leftist politicians in ideologies and how they come to power, being modeled after Hitler and Stalin, even Robespierre to a certain extent. There’s also the Bad News Bears, which actually condemned the idea of forced equality.

“If you studied Wittgenstein you would understand how Words matter. How ideas and connotations and associations are created simply with “words” and now with visuals/TV. The Deep State has controlled ALL our institutions since 1930s-—which is Mind Control of the masses. As Lenin stated, give the State your children for just four years and you will own them for life. We give OUR children to the State for 12 years and they come out dumb as stumps and snowflakes-—just brainwashed ideologues who can not process facts, Truth (God) or anything of substance since it causes “cognitive dissonance” in useful idiots. (brainwashed masses).”

I’m not familiar with Wittgenstein, but I definitely am familiar with the bit about educational centers brainwashing kids. I was nearly a victim. And for the record, even if you don’t give them to the state, they’d be brainwashed anyways. Just look at Oglethorpe University. That’s not even CLOSE to a state-run college, but was a private university, but I had encountered lots of leftist brainwashing there.

“All TV is to highly sexualize young children which warps sexual identity formation and fixates children in puerile stages of development. That is why socialists like Bernie Sanders lived in his parent’s basement masturbating until age 40. Socialists don’t believe in Natural Law and Natural Duties or marriage and the family unit which is the foundation of all civil flourishing societies.”

Again, I can name TV shows that if anything promotes family values, Christianity, and conservative elements, not warping sexual identity. Take The Little Mermaid TV series, for example: That had a LOT of pro-family messages, and Ariel in fact tends to clean up her messes she may have caused. Or hey, how about Kim Possible, which also promoted family values (it’s actually one of the rare Disney Channel Shows that DOESN’T depict the dad as a doofus, a moron, childish, or even as an unjustified jerk, even back then, let alone today.). And there are other TV shows as well, like the early seasons of NCIS, or Scorpion which actually promoted family values and using ones talents for good. Blue Bloods not only promotes our men in uniform, but also features the Reagan family at the end of each episode saying grace before a meal, something that’s rare ESPECIALLY with the secularized elements plaguing even otherwise conservative shows.

“If you would read the Nichomachean Ethics of Aristotle (which Jefferson did) you would realize that moral formation in little children is essential and it is ONLY done in the Natural Family—never in a group (non) think Prussian syled mass indoctrination system which the communist John Dewey forced onto all our children to create minds that could not process truth (God) or facts——just emotions-—feel good, it is good.”

The laws God promoted, the Ten Commandments, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers, can only be given in group think. If he wanted absolute individual autonomy, for us to make up our own rules, he would never have given us those laws. And BTW, that talk is what got us exiled from the Garden of Eden. Don’t bother telling me about Aristotle. As far as I’m concerned, God condemned him to Hell for not believing in him at all.


56 posted on 12/14/2017 9:08:49 AM PST by otness_e
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To: savagesusie

“Hollywood promotes Satanism and highly sexualizes little children to destroy virtue formation. They are far from “natural” and have no common sense which only comes from Natural Law Theory.”

Not all of Hollywood does that. Disney’s Sleeping Beauty for example actually CONDEMNS Satanism (Maleficent was specifically modelled after Satan, after all), same with Snow White. And let’s not forget the production of The War of the Vendee (the film premise is obvious from the title, and Vendee is depicted as the good guys. It’s also family friendly, too.). There’s also Mr. Deeds, which promoted Capitalism, Robots, which was pro family and pro Capitalism and the American Dream, and Big Daddy if anything was a massive promotion of fatherhood as a theme, and had a neat takedown of feminism. And let’s not forget about those military films, either.

“Wikipedia is controlled-—I have found so many lies and twisted, warped information on it, it disgusts me.”

Oh, I agree that Wikipedia is a horrible source of information (there are plenty of articles that treat Castro as being a good guy rather than the sick monster he was). However, I specifically mentioned Conservapedia, which is a Conservative site. Also, there are a few Hollywood films that actually DO promote Christian, conservative values. Like, for example, The Dark Knight Trilogy, which promoted Capitalism, a bit of Christianity, and had condemnation against the French Revolution-style ideologies of nihilism and anarchy. Another example of this is The Lion King, which had biblical elements in the story, dealt with reconciliation and honoring your father, and in fact Scar even resembled leftist politicians in ideologies and how they come to power, being modeled after Hitler and Stalin, even Robespierre to a certain extent. There’s also the Bad News Bears, which actually condemned the idea of forced equality.

“If you studied Wittgenstein you would understand how Words matter. How ideas and connotations and associations are created simply with “words” and now with visuals/TV. The Deep State has controlled ALL our institutions since 1930s-—which is Mind Control of the masses. As Lenin stated, give the State your children for just four years and you will own them for life. We give OUR children to the State for 12 years and they come out dumb as stumps and snowflakes-—just brainwashed ideologues who can not process facts, Truth (God) or anything of substance since it causes “cognitive dissonance” in useful idiots. (brainwashed masses).”

I’m not familiar with Wittgenstein, but I definitely am familiar with the bit about educational centers brainwashing kids. I was nearly a victim. And for the record, even if you don’t give them to the state, they’d be brainwashed anyways. Just look at Oglethorpe University. That’s not even CLOSE to a state-run college, but was a private university, but I had encountered lots of leftist brainwashing there.

“All TV is to highly sexualize young children which warps sexual identity formation and fixates children in puerile stages of development. That is why socialists like Bernie Sanders lived in his parent’s basement masturbating until age 40. Socialists don’t believe in Natural Law and Natural Duties or marriage and the family unit which is the foundation of all civil flourishing societies.”

Again, I can name TV shows that if anything promotes family values, Christianity, and conservative elements, not warping sexual identity. Take The Little Mermaid TV series, for example: That had a LOT of pro-family messages, and Ariel in fact tends to clean up her messes she may have caused. Or hey, how about Kim Possible, which also promoted family values (it’s actually one of the rare Disney Channel Shows that DOESN’T depict the dad as a doofus, a moron, childish, or even as an unjustified jerk, even back then, let alone today.). And there are other TV shows as well, like the early seasons of NCIS, or Scorpion which actually promoted family values and using ones talents for good. Blue Bloods not only promotes our men in uniform, but also features the Reagan family at the end of each episode saying grace before a meal, something that’s rare ESPECIALLY with the secularized elements plaguing even otherwise conservative shows.

“If you would read the Nichomachean Ethics of Aristotle (which Jefferson did) you would realize that moral formation in little children is essential and it is ONLY done in the Natural Family—never in a group (non) think Prussian syled mass indoctrination system which the communist John Dewey forced onto all our children to create minds that could not process truth (God) or facts——just emotions-—feel good, it is good.”

The laws God promoted, the Ten Commandments, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers, can only be given in group think. If he wanted absolute individual autonomy, for us to make up our own rules, he would never have given us those laws. And BTW, that talk is what got us exiled from the Garden of Eden. Don’t bother telling me about Aristotle. As far as I’m concerned, God condemned him to Hell for not believing in him at all. And for the record, I don’t support John Dewey either. He’s probably roasting with Aristotle right now.


57 posted on 12/14/2017 9:10:36 AM PST by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Your SO deluded and SO judgmental (which is SO unchristian).

You have NO idea what was in the Mind of Jefferson since YOU can’t even understand simple philosophy and psychology and that the word, Liberty, did not mean the same in France and America. Liberty to Jefferson meant ONE thing——individual freedom which encompasses all the Bill of Rights because of the Nature of man made in God’s image. Freedom (Natural Rights) predate ANY king or government. That is the basis of Jefferson’s mind and to deny that is a lie.

Words matter-—and evil people have been trying to control and destroy individualism for CENTURIES-—they LOVE collective, serf ideologies in which make the elites into gods/masters. That Jefferson KNEW what the difference was, is because he was a Lockean and Classical Thinker-—look at Monticello. He read all the Classical literature and unlike Rousseau and Voltaire understood it. He understood the basis of Christianity where there is ONLY one God and Objective Truth-—where contadiction never exists with Natural Laws or God’s Laws.

Jefferson is NOT a fool and knows the power of mob psychology-—as the Athenians knew that ignorant brainwashed masses will tear down everything and kill you. You act like he LED the French Revolutions which is FOLLY, since he was so involved with America and never ever lived in France until at that time. He did not understand the situation set up by the godless elites who wanted complete destruction of the Catholic Church (which was corrupted) but they didn’t have anything to replace it with except the hedonism of de Sade-—as the erection of the Temple of (not) Reason (just base instincts) where sodomy and orgies with children were the norm on the altar.

They mocked God and mocked Reason with mobocracy and satanism (hedonism) which was spurned by the Greek Masters and Classical Thought which created the Age of Reason and Modern Science and the minds of Newton and Pascal and Locke and Jefferson. You throw out philosophy-—which is delineated by Jefferson’s letters-—that yes, innocent people will ALWAYS die in ANY revolution—it is necessary for Freedom, for Freedom is NEVER Free. Never. And people give up their life for Freedom as Jefferson did in American and was almost caught and hanged-—but he WASN”T going to risk his life for France—why should he?
The elites had total control and Jefferson had NO inkling of their EVIL ends because they lied to him and their warped view of liberty was inconceivable to a thinker like Jefferson.

BTW, show me ANY culture that isn’t “ruled” by a few evil elites who think they are gods—like in America today. This was anathema to Jefferson and he agreed with the separation of power because power ALWAYS corrupts absolutely-—he also knew that truth as all Classical thinkers do.


58 posted on 12/14/2017 10:32:49 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: otness_e

Your SO deluded and SO judgmental (which is SO unchristian).

You have NO idea what was in the Mind of Jefferson since YOU can’t even understand simple philosophy and psychology and that the word, Liberty, did not mean the same in France and America. Liberty to Jefferson meant ONE thing——individual freedom which encompasses all the Bill of Rights because of the Nature of man made in God’s image. Freedom (Natural Rights) predate ANY king or government. That is the basis of Jefferson’s mind and to deny that is a lie.

Words matter-—and evil people have been trying to control and destroy individualism for CENTURIES-—they LOVE collective, serf ideologies in which make the elites into gods/masters. That Jefferson KNEW what the difference was, is because he was a Lockean and Classical Thinker-—look at Monticello. He read all the Classical literature and unlike Rousseau and Voltaire understood it. He understood the basis of Christianity where there is ONLY one God and Objective Truth-—where contadiction never exists with Natural Laws or God’s Laws.

Jefferson is NOT a fool and knows the power of mob psychology-—as the Athenians knew that ignorant brainwashed masses will tear down everything and kill you. You act like he LED the French Revolutions which is FOLLY, since he was so involved with America and never ever lived in France until at that time. He did not understand the situation set up by the godless elites who wanted complete destruction of the Catholic Church (which was corrupted) but they didn’t have anything to replace it with except the hedonism of de Sade-—as the erection of the Temple of (not) Reason (just base instincts) where sodomy and orgies with children were the norm on the altar.

They mocked God and mocked Reason with mobocracy and satanism (hedonism) which was spurned by the Greek Masters and Classical Thought which created the Age of Reason and Modern Science and the minds of Newton and Pascal and Locke and Jefferson. You throw out philosophy-—which is delineated by Jefferson’s letters-—that yes, innocent people will ALWAYS die in ANY revolution—it is necessary for Freedom, for Freedom is NEVER Free. Never. And people give up their life for Freedom as Jefferson did in American and was almost caught and hanged-—but he WASN”T going to risk his life for France—why should he?
The elites had total control and Jefferson had NO inkling of their EVIL ends because they lied to him and their warped view of liberty was inconceivable to a thinker like Jefferson.

BTW, show me ANY culture that isn’t “ruled” by a few evil elites who think they are gods—like in America today. This was anathema to Jefferson and he agreed with the separation of power because power ALWAYS corrupts absolutely-—he also knew that truth as all Classical thinkers do.


59 posted on 12/14/2017 10:33:35 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: otness_e

Conservative Sites are controlled by the dialectic as much as the leftist Marxist sites.

Your “faith” in it is also a problem, btw.

Like I say-—Jefferson was only human just like everyone else except he was brilliant and a genius as his architecture and writings prove. He made mistakes and misjudged some events, he admitted so himself and came to condemn the French Revolution when he understood what the elites were trying to do.
You are trying to “judge” as if you could read his mind and that is impossible and irrational—and very postmodernist and Marxist of you.


60 posted on 12/14/2017 10:37:55 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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