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Posted on 11/17/2017 9:04:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
However, if he’s innocent, he deserves to be heard and his accusers should face repercussions for maligning his good name and for attempting to destroy the democratic process in Alabama.
The majority of the accusations against Moore are NOT criminal, but sure are icky. Basically, they seem to suggest that Moore had a penchant for underage girls. However, two of the accusations rise to the level of criminal action. One accusation claims that Moore had a physical, sexual relationship with a 14-year old girl (though the two never had sex, they committed sex acts with each other). The other, more recent accusation, is that Moore cornered another girl and attempted to force himself on her but then kicked her out of his car.
Moore denies both of these accusations, but is more cryptic on the possibility that he dated teenage girls.
Moore’s legal team has also begun the process of suing the media outlets that he believes have acted irresponsibly in reporting this story, and may also be planning to sue his accusers.
While Moore has faced withering criticism from all who oppose his candidacy, the last few days have also brought some hard questions for his accusers.
A young woman who worked with Judge Moore as a teen told the Conservative Post that she never saw an inkling of this kind of behavior from Moore.
Yes, I absolutely believe (the) Judge is innocent!” Beth told Conservative Tribune. “I’ve known him and his family for years. I was a teenager when I first started working in his campaign. And he always honored and respected me and all the others. I always felt safe around him, I never once felt uncomfortable.”
Earlier this week the New Yorker and Mediaite both reported that Judge Moore had been “banned” from the mall in Gadsden, Alabama because of his bad behavior. The only problem with this is that it’s just not true.
The man who actually ran the mall recently told the local Fox News affiliate that the stories about Moore being banned aren’t true.
WBRC FOX6 News – Birmingham, AL
The stepson of Judge Moore’s most aggressive accuser is telling anyone who will listen that Beverly Young Nelson is an untrustworthy liar.
“I know for a fact that there is a lot that that woman does not tell the truth on,” Nelson claimed in an in-person interview with Breitbart News. “Do I think that Beverly is trustworthy? No, I really don’t. Could I see her making it up? …The odds are in that favor.”
The stepson, John Nelson, further argues that he believes his stepmother is being paid to make false accusations against Judge Moore.
During the interview here in Attalla, Nelson surmised numerous times without offering any evidence that Beverly Nelson was getting paid to make the accusations against Moore.
“There is a lot of details that just does not add up,” he stated. “Do I believe that she is being paid? I have got a feeling that that is so.”
“It’s got to be money. Financially, I really do believe that she is out for the money part. Somebody is paying somebody. It seems awful funny. Twenty-five days or so until the election. Why wait until just now to start doing all of this?”
Finally, the most damning piece of evidence offered by Beverly Young Nelson and her attorney Gloria Allred, was a yearbook that had reportedly been signed by Judge Moore. The only problem? The inscription seems to have been written by at least two different people and the dates don’t make a whole lot of sense in the flow of the story Nelson is telling. Because of these facts, Moore’s lawyers have asked that Allred allow the inscription to be validated by handwriting experts but Allred flatly refused.
Allred then called into CNN, reaching Wolf Blitzer live on The Situation Room. She said that she would be willing to submit the yearbook to “an independent expert or experts” — but only once her client and Moore had testified under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Senate Select Committee on Ethics before the election. She would not agree to have the yearbook examined otherwise, claiming “we’re not going to be distracted.”
That was a major mistake. By trying to use the yearbook — the critical piece of evidence in establishing Nelson’s credibility — as leverage to force a Senate hearing before the election, Allred seemed to put politics ahead of the truth. Worse, she opened herself and her client to questions about whether they have something to hide. Whatever the truth of Jauregui’s claims that the yearbook signature is a “fraud,” Allred lent those claims greater credibility.
None of these things offer definitive proof of Moore’s innocence but they do at least demand that we proceed with care in adjudicating what has taken place. Moore should not be judged guilty for crimes he may not have committed, and his accusers should not be called liars before the truth has been discovered. Both sides deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and both sides deserve a rational, and considerate media investigating the allegations.
Sadly, from what we’ve seen so far, the media cares more about reporting a salacious story than they do finding the truth.
Show the signature in the book and the signature in the court papers with the D.A....and bring Delbra Adams in.... Even a dumb jurist can see the problem.....
Nail Jeff Bezos’ WaPoopBlog....Time to Gawkerize the outfit.
I would just love it if Roy still has the stamp.
They ARE lying. I'm sure of it now. They blinked; Moore refused to.
I think if you are in Alabama, and don’t want a democrat senator, you should just vote for Moore, and trust that if any of these allegations prove true, he’ll have the decency to resign, so you can have another election.
No need to give your representation away because of allegations.
Copying this comment from LS onto a few threads:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3605616/posts?page=25#25
FYI: In the AL primary 480,000 Rs voted. 84,000 Ds.
Richard Baris at PPD says the AL split is something like 52-39 (R/D). You can do the math and see how bogus this poll is.
Thanks for that.
Most women accusations are probably accurate, and they are really victims.
Some women can’t help themselves and their emotional need to be a “rock star” overwhelms them; and they use any means necessary to achieve their moment of fame. These women are just as reprehensible as an actual abuser as they can absolutely destroy an innocent person.
1. If the Democrats orchestrated this whole charade, they would have dropped these "bombshell" hits on Moore much closer to the election.
2. They didn't, so they either botched the whole thing or they weren't the ones who orchestrated it.
3. If the Republicans orchestrated it, they would much rather get these allegations out in the open early enough that they could come up with a Plan B to either replace Moore on the ballot or mount a write-in campaign.
As I look at these three items above, it's obvious to me that it's the GOP behind this, not the Democrats.
In fact, the Democrats have been nearly silent on this whole charade because they know damn well that they have so many skeletons of their own that they need to build a whole new wing on the U.S. Capitol to accommodate all the closets.
I heard the same thing, that Breitbart forced the Compost to come out early with the story. Definitely was too early - if it had been a week or even 2 weeks before the election, Moore would have been toast. Every day that goes by, the accusers stories get weaker as they are examined and debunked & other people with info (like the mall guy) can come forward to further prove the accusations as untrue - thank you Steve Bannon/Breitbart.
kvanbrunt2 posted this last night, and I thought it was pretty good
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agreed its good from another post. i stole it and printed it for my dad. >>
Jonah Goldberg is a horse’s ass.
Useless, cuckolded RINO—a Karl Rove with hair and a beard.
Woman No. 1—said she was 14, was most likely 17,bankrupt 3 times, divorced twice, said she had a phone in her bedroom, mother says there was no phone in the bedroom, has accused three pastors of assaulting her, last case was thrown out by an AL circuit judge with prejudice because she was lying her ass off.
Woman No. 2 16 —above age of consent
Woman No. 3 17 —above age of consent
Woman No. 4 18 —above age of consent
Note that 2,3 and 4 accuse the Judge of no assault; kissing only; Judge had asked their moms for permission to date and recieved it
Woman No. 5— Yearbook Girl—forgery; says she was taken to a lot behind the restaurant, none there; says she was locked in—most cars of that vintage did not have driver side control locks;Judge Moore oversaw her divorce action in 1999 which was thrown out, woman failed to say so in her press conference; stepson says she is lying, and him and whole family support Judge Moore 100%
Woman No. 6—out today; Judge’s client getting a divorce, says Judge goosed her butt while walking out of office after a consult.
To me, woman 2,3, and 4 have no beef.
Woman #1 is not credible
Woman #5 is lying
Woman #6—not enough information.
Gloria Allred—should be sued to oblivion and disbarred. Already has 2 CA State Bar investigations against her.
Mitch McConnell—should tell us why he left the Army so quickly in the middle of a hot war in Vietnam in the summer of 1967. Not the official reason—the REAL reason.
Then he should be forced to resign.
Will McConnell be included in the lawsuit?
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If so, that is a GREAT victory. Timing is everything.
I also suspect Bannon had a hand in forcing the Al Franken groping story to come out at this time.
Correct. I and my friends here in Alabama are ALL IN for Judge Roy Moore for Senate!
I wonder if the legal beagles for Moore are watching the activities and financials associated with these ‘ladies’. A new car, a previously unaffordable home renovation, an expensive vacation, things that point to a sudden increase in disposable income could mean someone felt their testimony was needed badly enough to pony up cash for it.
Remember, follow the money.
I think it’s ridiculous that anyone on FR should even consider any of these charges. But then, the people of Alabama are the ONLY ONES who get to decide this, not someone who has been on FR less than 4 years.
Moore denies both of these accusations, but is more cryptic on the possibility that he dated teenage girls.
There is a reason there is a statue of limitation on most crimes. After a period of time memories fade and evidence if it ever existed is tainted.
I am beginning to think that there should be a statue of limitation on even the accusation of a crime, especially just weeks before an election.
Exception - If someone files a police report under penalty of perjury.
I hope Roy Moore sues all involved.
Since the Nov. 9 Washington Post report was published, others have come forward with their own stories of Moore’s alleged perverted misconduct.
Leigh Corfman
The accusation: Corfman, 53, told The Washington Post that she met Moore when she was 14 sitting on a bench outside of a courtroom in Etowah County, Alabama, in 1979 while her mother was there for a child custody hearing.
She claims that Moore, who was 32 and the assistant district attorney at the time, volunteered to sit with her while her mother was in the courtroom. Moore reportedly asked for her phone number and days later, picked her up around the corner from her house and took her back to his home about 30 miles away.
According to The Washington Post, Moore “told her how pretty she was and kissed her.”
“On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes,” the article reads. “He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.”
Corfman asserted that they didn’t have intercourse. Corfman was the only one of the four women named in the Nov. 9 Washington Post article who had any sexual interaction with Moore that surpassed kissing.
Moore’s response: Moore told conservative radio host Sean Hannity in an interview the day after the article was published that the encounter that Corfman described “never happened.” Moore added that he never had any contact with Corfman and that her allegations are “completely false.” Moore also called the allegations “politically motivated.”
Debbie Wesson Gibson
The accusation: Gibson, who was also named in the Nov. 9 Washington Post article, claims that she was 17 when Moore was speaking to her high school civics class and asked her out on the first of their several dates. Gibson claims that she didn’t go any further than kissing when she went on her dates with Moore.
Moore’s response: In the Nov. 10 interview with Hannity, Moore explained that he doesn’t remember speaking at Gibson’s civics class. However, Hannity pressed and specifically asked Moore if he was saying that he never dated Gibson. Moore replied: “No, but I don’t remember going out on dates. I knew her as a friend. If we did go on dates then we did. But I do not remember that.”
Gloria Thacker Deason
The accusation: Deason was a third woman named in the Nov. 9 Washington Post article. She claimed that she was an 18-year-old community college student when she met the 32-year-old Moore at a mall in Gadsden, Alabama, where she worked at the Pizitz department store jewelry counter.
Even though the drinking age in the state at that time was 19, Moore allegedly took Deason on dates that included bottles of wine when they first started dating. Deason said they dated off and on for months. However, their physical relationship didn’t go further than hugging and kissing.
Moore’s response: In his interview with Hannity, Moore denied the allegation that he supplied alcohol on his dates with Deason and also contended that Deason was “19 or older” at the time. He stated that he “never provided alcohol” to a minor.
Wendy Miller
The accusation: Miller was also named in the initial Nov. 9 Washington Post article and explained that she met Moore when she was 14 and working as a Santa’s Helper at the Gadsden mall. However, Miller said that it wasn’t until she was 16 that Moore began asking her out on dates. Miller never went out with Moore because her mother forbade her from doing so.
Moore’s response: In the interview with Hannity, the former Alabama chief justice maintained that Miller’s allegation and the allegations from the other women must have been politically motivated because they haven’t been brought up in any of the “five successful campaigns” he has run in his political career.
Beverly Young Nelson
The accusation: Following the allegations of the four women in the Nov. 9 Washington Post article, Nelson came forward at a press conference on Monday to accuse Moore of sexually assaulting her in a car when she was a 16-year-old waitress and student at Gadsden High School.
At the time, Moore was a district attorney in Etowah County.
“Mr. Moore reached over and began groping me and put his hand on my breast. I tried to get out and he reached over and locked (the door) and I yelled and told him to stop,” Nelson said during the press conference, adding that he tried to force her head down to his crotch area. “I continued to struggle. I was determined that I was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him. I was terrified. He was also trying to pull my shirt off. I thought he was going to rape me. I was twisting and struggling and begging him to stop. I had tears running down my face,” she said.
Nelson added that at some point, Moore “gave up.”
“He then looked at me and said, ‘You are a child. I am the district attorney of Etowah County. If you tell anyone about this, no one will believe you,’” Nelson recalled.
Moore’s response: On Monday, Moore told reporters that Nelson’s allegations are “absolutely false.” He added: “I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her.”
Elements of Nelson’s story have been questioned by Moore’s legal team. Reports indicate that as a judge, Moore signed documents pertaining to Nelson’s divorce from her husband in 1999, a fact that Nelson omitted in the press conference.
Additionally, a signature that Nelson claims is Moore’s in her high school yearbook does not appear to match the candidate’s signature.
Moore emphatically denied Nelson’s accusation in a letter sent to Hannity through Twitter on Wednesday.
“I adamantly deny the allegations of Leigh Corfman and Beverly Neslon, did not date underage girls, and have taken steps to begin a civil action for defamation,” Moore wrote. “Because of that, at the direction of counsel, I cannot comment further.”
Tina Johnson
The accusation: Johnson told Alabama.com in an interview that was published on Wednesday that she went to Moore’s law office in 1991 to sign over custody of her daughter to her mother.
Johnson, who was 28 at the time, recalled that Moore began flirting with her almost as soon as she came in the office. After the papers were signed and Johnson and her mother got up to leave, she claims that Moore grabbed her buttox right after her mother had walked out of the room.
“He didn’t pinch it; he grabbed it,” Johnson was quoted as saying.
Moore’s response: Moore has not yet publicly responded to Johnson’s claim and didn’t return Alabama.com’s inquiry about Johnson’s claims by press time.
Gena Richardson
The accusation: In an article published Wednesday by The Washington Post, the 58-year-old Richardson claimed that she also met Moore at the Gadsden Mall in 1977 when she was a high school senior and working at the Sears department store.
Although Richardson claimed that Moore asked her out on a date while at the Mall, she initially declined. However, she claimed that when she was in school one day, she was called down to the principal’s office because Moore had called for her on the phone.
She stated that eventually, she agreed to go out with him. After their date at the movie theater, she recalled Moore driving her back to her car at the Sears parking lot and then giving her an unwanted “forceful” kiss.
Moore’s response: The Washington Post reports that Moore’s campaign did not directly address Richardson’s allegations but argued in a statement that the new allegations are politically motivated.
“If you are a liberal and hate Judge Moore, apparently he groped you,” the statement reads. “If you are a conservative and love Judge Moore, you know these allegations are a political farce.”
Becky Gray
The accusation: The Washington Post also named Becky Gray in its Nov. 15 article, stating that Gray and Richardson were like Miller and Deason in the fact that they encountered Moore at the Gadsden Mall.
Gray told The Washington Post that she was 22 and working at the Pizitz department store when she first met Moore. She stated that she regularly had to decline his requests to go on dates.
After it became an annoyance, Gray said that she ended up complaining about Moore to her store manager.
Gray claimed that after her complaint, her store manager got Moore banned from the mall.
“I went to my manager and talked to him about it and asked him, basically, what could be done,” Gray told ABC News Wednesday. “Later on, he ... came back through my department and told me that [Moore] had been banned from the mall.”
Moore’s response: Moore has not directly addressed Gray’s allegations. However, Moore’s lawyer reportedly told MSNBC on Wednesday that there “has never been a list with Roy Moore banned from being at the mall.”
Yeah, I was wondering where Gloria Allred was lately. Perhaps she defaulted to CYA mode, once again, leaving her clients up Schitt’s creek without a paddle?... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3605677/posts
“Gray claimed that after her complaint, her store manager got Moore banned from the mall.”
And this is a lie.
Moore was not banned from the mall. The mall manager at that time said this the other day in an interview. Along with someone else.
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