Posted on 11/02/2017 10:14:58 AM PDT by jazusamo
Veterans group claims motto symbolizes the agencys resistance to gender equity
The VA is defending its motto this week against charges that it symbolizes the agencys resistance to gender equity.
A portion of Abraham Lincolns second inaugural address in 1865 has been deemed sexist as a VA motto by the nonprofit organization Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. The group wrote a letter to VA Secretary David Shulkin this week demanding a change, which it says would better support women.
The motto in question, in place since 1959, reads: To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan.
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>>>Try that Living Document stuff the next time you are forced to revise your side of a Legal Contract<<<
OOPS: Let me “revise” that. LOL
Try that Living Document stuff the next time you WANT TO revise your side of a Legal Contract.
“You give an inch, they’ll take a mile. We’re at war with the Left - take NO prisoners.”
Preach it.
Besides, keeping “him” reminds us that females have no place in combat. Or the military, really, except as nurses.
Are those the words of President Lincoln, or not? If you don't see the problem, you're part of it.
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This simple, one-word motto depends on the definition of the word "is" so you can always claim it means something other than what the readers thinks even when they come up with a reason why it is racist/sexists/.... When they challenge your claim -and they will if they don't like your organization- you can steer the conversation to Bill Clinton.
As if ‘Man’ or ‘Mankind’ did not refer to both man and woman.........
...the derp is strong...
KYPD
Widowed spouses
Except Neil meant “for a man.” And mankind explicitly means both genders.
And in Shakespeare, Caesar was addressing a crowd which excluded women, but even so “countrymen” implies both genders.
On the other hand, because “widows” refers specifically to women, Lincoln’s quote becomes confusing. To the extent that its modern usage is meant to include all veterans, directly quoting Lincoln is a problem, easily rectified by presuming a translation.
While there is plenty to criticize the VA about, use of "wrong" pronouns ain't one of them. Maybe these gender-warriors should spend some time emptying bed pans and find out what really needs to be done.
dangus wrote:
I understand the anger at the PC censors, but I wouldnt mind too much if it were changed to To care for those who shall have borne the battle and for their widows, and orphans.
Its really only a modest translation, not a full-bodied re-write.
However, it’s not what Pres. Lincoln said, so it’s not a quote. Now, if they want to remove it as a quote, and put it as a general mission (ugh, new agey “Mission Statement”), then fine. But it’s not a quote from Pres. Lincoln anymore.
“If it’s on the internet, it must be true” - William Shakespeare
No, rewrite. Modest or not. He said what he said. History should not be subject to the delicate little feelings of the easily offended.
I agree they shouldn’t attribute it directly to Lincoln if they re-word it. But my understanding was that the context was a motto.
Abraham Lincoln wrote it the way he wanted to say it.
Neither you (or me), nor anyone else has earned the right to re-write it.
If you want some PC quote for the ages, sit down and write your own.
Lincolns second inaugural address in 1865 has been deemed sexist as a VA motto by the nonprofit organization Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. The group wrote a letter to VA Secretary David Shulkin this week demanding a change, which it says would better support women. The motto in question, in place since 1959, reads: To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan.
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