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Trump's Pardoning Powers Could Be Limited After Mueller's First Indictment
Newsweek via Yahoo ^ | October 29th, 2017 | Jason Silverstein

Posted on 10/29/2017 3:23:28 PM PDT by Mariner

With the first indictment looming from the federal Trump-Russia investigation, President Donald Trump is getting a reminder: His pardoning pardons can’t fix everything.

“I don't think the president's power is all that absolute, as people have been suggesting,” California Representative Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told ABC News’ “This Week” Sunday.

“The president cannot pardon people if it's an effort to obstruct justice, if it's an effort to prevent Bob Mueller and others from learning about the President's own conduct. So, there are limitations.”

Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who has been investigating the Trump campaign’s potential Russia ties, is expected to unseal his first criminal charges as early as Monday.

Schiff said he has not been told who will be hit by the indictments, but he believes based on press reports that it will either be former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort or former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Both men resigned from their positions after controversy over their ties to foreign governments, which Mueller has been scrutinizing.

If Trump tries to pardon whoever faces charges, he could several major hurdles.

The Constitution allows the president broad powers to pardon people for “Offenses against the United States." There is no precedent for a sitting president pardoning people tied to his campaign, as will likely be the case for Mueller’s debut indictment.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adamschiff; manafort; pardons; president; russia; schiff; trump; trumprussia
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Even someone convicted of a non-federal state crime?


21 posted on 10/29/2017 3:32:32 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Mariner

Fake news


22 posted on 10/29/2017 3:32:35 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: Mariner

Why would he want to pardon crooked Democrats?


23 posted on 10/29/2017 3:32:37 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: Mariner

Lawfare.

In totalitarian countries, Marxists first identify the criminal, then find the crime, hold a trial, and send the criminal off to prison.

In the US, Marxists first identify the criminal, then find the crime, hold a trial, and destroy the criminal’s life, family, reputation and finances before sending him off to prison.


24 posted on 10/29/2017 3:33:59 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

For years I’ve believed our votes don’t count. I never thought it would be because the elites can simply decide to ignore the votes.


25 posted on 10/29/2017 3:34:34 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners..)
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Adam Schiff = Anthony Weiner



Like Hillary, he always lies the first 50 times, then feigns memory loss.


26 posted on 10/29/2017 3:35:05 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Sorry, but the president can pardon anyone he jolly well pleases.


Only people charged with “offenses against the United States”, i.e. Federal crimes. He cannot pardon anyone charged with a state crime. A few weeks back that there was talk that Mueller was trying to get NY’s attorney general to charge Trump’s people within his jurisdiction to negate Trump’s pardons.


27 posted on 10/29/2017 3:36:15 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Mariner

Liberal projection is a disease...when tempted, just say no.


28 posted on 10/29/2017 3:36:40 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Extraordinary acts of God often start with ordinary acts of obedience. P. Yefros)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Sorry, but the president can pardon anyone he jolly well pleases.

Yeah, when Obama pardoned a bunch of people, some of them actually made their way back to prison.

29 posted on 10/29/2017 3:37:01 PM PDT by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Well he “thinks it’s not unlimited”, so it must be so....


30 posted on 10/29/2017 3:39:28 PM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Sorry, but the president can pardon anyone he jolly well pleases.

He could even pardon Hillary, but that "aint gonna" happen.

31 posted on 10/29/2017 3:40:19 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: Mariner

And yet these same ones were claiming Obama could pardon Hillary beforehand and even pardon himself if ...

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In the end, it will be the SC that will decide whether the presidential power to pardon is limited.


32 posted on 10/29/2017 3:41:09 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jim from C-Town

>> There is no limit as to the power of the President when it comes to Pardoning Powers <<

Agreed, as far as Federal jurisdiction is concerned.

But if campaign employees violated New York laws (for example), then the POTUS’s pardon power would not come into play.


33 posted on 10/29/2017 3:41:54 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Mariner

Check out all the Yahoo Leftist replies.

They think the President can’t pardon either, and are in joyous “Fitzmas” over Trump allies doing the frog march tomorrow.


34 posted on 10/29/2017 3:41:56 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: Mariner

I think a bunch of nitwits could be disappointed when the person/s they arrest are low level and hardly heard of.

Just last week, can’t remember where I read it, some name was mentioned that I had not heard of, but Mueller wanted to talk to him.

This could be about the end of the Mueller investigation and a scalp will be taken.


35 posted on 10/29/2017 3:42:00 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Mariner

“Trump’s pardon powers could be limited”

Don’t be absurd.


36 posted on 10/29/2017 3:42:30 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like)
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To: Mariner

Schiff for brains


37 posted on 10/29/2017 3:42:45 PM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Timmy

Except in cases of impeachment. Pardons only are for federal cases and the president probably can’t pardon himself due to the impeachment limitation. So could he pardon anyone indicted by Mueller? Probably yes.


38 posted on 10/29/2017 3:43:29 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Mariner

There is a reason the rag NewsWEAK sold for a dollar. How incredibly stupid.


39 posted on 10/29/2017 3:43:50 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It hasn’t mattered since Lincoln, most of the time. Deep state controls both party’s . We ve known that for years. I dont think I’m voting for Gillespie now in Virginia. He’s another establishment swamp creature. As we get rid of more of the creatures. Then we can go back and prosecute the traitors. Which there are many.


40 posted on 10/29/2017 3:44:06 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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