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Melrose Park shop jumps to a leading seller of 'crime guns' in Chicago area
Chicago Tribune ^ | 28 oct 2017 | Annie Sweeney, Jason Meisner and Jeremy Gorner

Posted on 10/28/2017 4:23:12 AM PDT by rellimpank

Timothy Ward was a convicted felon barred from possessing a firearm on the night he fatally shot a man during an argument on Chicago’s West Side.

Minutes after the July 2015 slaying, police stopped a light-colored van and found the suspected murder weapon — a black revolver — under the front passenger seat where Ward had been sitting.

The gun had been sold just four months earlier at Suburban Sporting Goods in Melrose Park, a cramped strip mall store about 10 miles from the gritty block where 25-year-old Charzelle Hayes was killed, according to Chicago police. Ballistics matched the Nagant revolver to bullets removed from Hayes’ body, police said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; rkba
--what they fail to mention is that if the gun shop arbitrarily refused to sell to every "suspicious" purchaser , they would be in line for a civil rights lawsuit---
1 posted on 10/28/2017 4:23:12 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

-—and more from Chicago’s other garbage wrap—

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/trace-report-details-origins-of-chicago-guns-possible-solutions/


2 posted on 10/28/2017 4:25:37 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
It's not the crime guns' fault.

They just had a rough upbringing. I blame society.

3 posted on 10/28/2017 4:37:31 AM PDT by bagster (Social Culture Warrior (SCW))
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To: rellimpank

That’s what the automatic background checks are for.....can’t stop someone who passes the check from going down to the corner and selling the weapon to someone else.


4 posted on 10/28/2017 4:45:57 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: rellimpank
I would suspect - that since Chicago is right next door and the buyer was most likely recognizable as from the South Side, that the seller likely knew that there was a strong possibility that the buyer was going to shoot someone in the near future. I am sure that whomever did the buying could pass the background check but sometimes you gotta just say "no sale" when it doesn't smell right.

BTW, a "Nagant" - really? I didn't even think they made ammo for those things anymore! I wasn't sure that those things were used for anything since Lenin's nitwits murdered the Czar and his wife and kids.

5 posted on 10/28/2017 4:54:03 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: rellimpank; All

once upon a time remarks like these would be carried in the Chicago Tribune ;Did anybody see them ?
Ex Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke addresses dealing with the problems destroying black society
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3596032/posts


6 posted on 10/28/2017 4:55:48 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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To: rellimpank

Most criminals wouldn’t go thru a background check if they could pass it. They don’t want a gun that is tied to them.


7 posted on 10/28/2017 5:19:58 AM PDT by umgud
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To: rellimpank

Criminals go for the cheapest gun they can find. Typically that means high volume dealers. They send in a cousin or girlfriend and buy the gun for them.

The ATF doesn’t go after straw purchasers so most crooks don’t sweat it.


8 posted on 10/28/2017 6:30:49 AM PDT by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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To: rellimpank
Here's your problem

Ward, a gang member who had recently been released from prison for a robbery conviction,.......

No one wants to talk about this part of the problem. Even here in "tough on crime" Texas, violent felons are routinely paroled after serving only a fraction of their sentence. Solution - end parole and early release for all violent gun crime convictions. 20 years should mean 20 years and life should mean life. Keep these miscreants off the streets and you will see a drastic drop in gun crime.
9 posted on 10/28/2017 6:48:01 AM PDT by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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To: rellimpank

Rest assured the buyers have a police issued FOID card, required in Illinois.


10 posted on 10/28/2017 8:03:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone tries to burn you out, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: rellimpank

A Nagant revolver? Give him credit for creativity.

L


11 posted on 10/28/2017 8:30:03 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Chainmail

“...a “Nagant” - really? I didn’t even think they made ammo for those things anymore! I wasn’t sure that those things were used for anything since Lenin’s nitwits murdered the Czar and his wife and kids.”

USSR re-started o1895g revolver production during the Second World War. It wasn’t all Tokarevs and PPSh-41s.

Refinished Nagants have been imported for a number of years. Lots of surplus military ammunition has been brought in; Fiocchi and Prvi Partizan sell modern-made 7.62x38R ammunition. Haven’t examined the Fiocchi, but the PPU stuff is of good quality, Boxer primed.

Some aftermarket firms offered separate cylinders chambered in 32 ACP, but extensive fitting was required.


12 posted on 10/28/2017 9:21:32 AM PDT by schurmann
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Nonetheless, not exactly a premier firearm, right? Kind of like those old Webleys we used to see in .38 S&W Short years ago.

One click above Starter's Pistol. But probably better than some of the pot metal .32s I've seen lately.

As you may have guessed, I'm a bit of a firearms snob..(if it ain't got matching numbers, it ain't a Luger..)

13 posted on 10/28/2017 10:33:45 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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“... not exactly a premier firearm, ... like those old Webleys we used to see in .38 S&W Short years ago. One click above Starter’s Pistol. ...(if it ain’t got matching numbers, it ain’t a Luger..)

To judge by the items that crossed my bench when I was employed in gun repair, Soviet firearms may have been several notches below premier, but were not of low quality - just as good as they needed to be, and no more.

And a number of starter pistols were not terrible. H&R’s blank-firing revolvers were solid items, fashioned from the same materials as their counterparts firing live rounds. Budget arms certainly, but neither cheap nor weak.

Never seen a Webley IV that was poorly or cheaply made. Badly treated and miserably maintained, yes. What led the British to choose that caliber is still a head scratcher. Not nearly the equal of their earlier Webleys, chiefly Mk VI, in 455. If I had to choose a revolver today, I’d not feel poorly armed with one. And those were all well-made also.

Lugers - matched or not - are a cut above. Few examples of gun manufacturing can equal them. Steyr, possibly.


14 posted on 10/28/2017 1:53:09 PM PDT by schurmann
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Just parted with a 9mm 1906 American Eagle in mint, probably unfired condition. No external proof marks (!) and the extractor was marked "Loaded" in English. It was gorgeous, but I like to shoot what I have.

Can't fault your points on the Nagants and Soviet weapons and Webleys. Nonetheless, if I'm going to own something for myself, I tend to go for the Colts, Smiths, Walthers, and the occasional Luger or Mauser C96.

That way, if they're taking it off my dead body, they'll know they killed a guy with excellent taste in firearms - and money to burn!

15 posted on 10/28/2017 2:39:12 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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