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Health insurers earn billions, while patients and doctors suffer under ObamaCare
Fox New.com ^ | October 27, 2017 | Dr Marc Siegel

Posted on 10/27/2017 6:14:11 PM PDT by Kaslin

I remember when my patients used to pay me up front for my service, and then apply to their insurance company for reimbursement. Health insurance policies came in all shapes and sizes back then, some more comprehensive than others, depending on a patient’s needs.

Patients understood that health insurance was not the same thing as health care, and that it was at best a promise that sometimes went unfulfilled.

Over the years insurers gained more control of the health-care system, until I had to appeal to the insurance company to be reimbursed for a service I had already provided. Since patients no longer paid for my service directly, it was no wonder they began to think of health insurance as the same as health care.

The new system put a lot more pressure on me and other doctors. Insurers made more of a profit if they denied payment for our bills, while we continued to hold all the responsibility for providing patient care.

ObamaCare gave the insurers even more power, providing them access to a new clientele in the individual market, and allowing them to charge increasing premiums for heavily regulated policies with high deductibles. Only the biggest insurers could afford to provide this coverage – and they counted on a captive audience of patients who were mandated to buy it.

But ObamaCare didn’t work, because young healthy patients were too smart to pay such a hefty price for coverage they might never need. In 2016, there were 6.5 million of them who took the tax penalty under the law for going without health insurance – half of them under the age of 35. In 2015, the average individual mandate penalty for going without insurance was only $442 – far below the cost of a year’s worth of health insurance.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0bamacare; aca; insurance; obamacare; opm; socialism
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To: Kaslin

This doctor has no idea what healthcare means. The DC lawyers are now in charge and they are taking their fair share. Obama’s legacy—hijacking healthcare to profit the lawyers.


21 posted on 10/28/2017 4:43:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: MtnClimber

And the politicians are exempt so they don’t really care in either party.””

That is a media lie. Not one single republican voted for the hijacking of healthcare which turned out to be the DC lawyer bonanza and the biggest welfare increase since the 60s.


22 posted on 10/28/2017 4:47:40 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: arthurus

BS! They should be “replaced” by NOTHING. The government should replace itself right out of the Insurance and the Health business along with big time tort reform, at least toward loser- or loser’s attorney pays. Medical costs would come down drastically to be less than the costs of off-shore medicine. Insurance would shrink back to being actual insurance for large unexpected expenses and would be paid for with a tiny fraction of the current “premiums.”

Spot on.


23 posted on 10/28/2017 4:54:35 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Cicero
The Traveler's Tower was built in 1919. Ahem. So it has been around for quite a while.

The Aetna Building, since 1931; Hartford Steam Boiler 1866. Besides our beautiful State Capitol Building, very visible from the highway, as you are blazing through on I-91 N...is the Colt Dome, On the Colt Armory Building, built in 1855.

The Hartford ...the list goes on. Once the "the insurance capital of the world" that is all changing. Rapidly. Sadly.

24 posted on 10/28/2017 6:53:37 AM PDT by Daffynition (The New PTSD: PRESIDENT-Trump Stress Disorder - The LSN didnÂ’t make Trump, so they can't break him)
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To: Kaslin

One only has to thank all of the dipshits who voted for 0bama for the mess the health insurance is in.


25 posted on 10/28/2017 7:02:12 AM PDT by okie 54
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To: LegendHasIt

Obamacare isn’t designed to deliver healthcare; its purpose is to destroy the middleclass. To that end, it is doing a fine job.


26 posted on 10/28/2017 10:04:14 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: arthurus
The government should replace itself right out of the Insurance and the Health business [...] Another reform should be prevention of drug companies selling patent drugs at lower prices overseas

So which is it?

27 posted on 10/28/2017 10:12:12 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Kaslin
The "subsidies" to the Taker class are an obscenity, when so many young people who are trying to start out, and also working families, are destroyed by ObamaCare.

But the Free Stuff Army doesn't care. As long as they get their "fair share."

Of course, the fact that Obama funneled hundreds of Billions to the insurance companies illegally concerns not the media.

28 posted on 10/28/2017 10:51:18 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: NobleFree

What which?It is both, not one or the other.


29 posted on 10/28/2017 11:04:47 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus
Can't be both; for government to prevent drug companies from selling patent drugs at lower prices overseas is to place itself firmly in the Health business.
30 posted on 10/28/2017 11:39:11 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Cicero

I thought the Clinton healthcare bill failed to pass?


31 posted on 10/28/2017 6:55:19 PM PDT by Nateman (Cruz haters piss me off! How about concentrating your fire on the bad guys, like the left?)
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To: Nateman

Yes, it did. But Hillarycare crept in indirectly, through many of the states and through a variety of partial health bills under Clinton and Bush and LBJ.


32 posted on 10/28/2017 7:06:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rktman

Medicare pays first before your insurance company.


33 posted on 10/28/2017 10:01:44 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: arrogantsob
Yeah, I know. Just a lot of bucks. I paid more in premiums than they paid out. 👹
34 posted on 10/28/2017 10:33:12 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Kaslin
Health insurers earn billions, while patients and doctors suffer under ObamaCare

Obamacare is only a $1 Trillion a year tax bill on the American worker and taxpayers. BTW, Obamacare was passed by only Rat party votes.

With friends like this who needs enemies.

35 posted on 10/30/2017 6:39:00 PM PDT by TheConservativeTejano
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To: rktman
I paid more in premiums than they paid out.

Never have I paid so much and gotten so little as the healthcare we're receiving.

36 posted on 10/30/2017 8:00:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: amihow

Insurance companies are now non profits?

31 million is what our taxes subsidize for 2965 people at 10,455 per person spent

UHC had revenue of 184 billion

Net income was 7 billion

CEO took 31 million that year or four tenths of one percent of that

Seems fair to me


37 posted on 10/31/2017 11:58:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (Virtue signalers should be shot on sight...conservative ones racked and hanged then fed to dogs)
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To: wardaddy

31 mill is base. What about dividends paid? Most of that 7 bill. would have gone to patient care in non-profit.

No ins cos. are not non-profit.

You must be a business person. Health care does not belong in business model.


38 posted on 11/01/2017 12:39:18 AM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow; Pelham; onyx

Are you sure you’re on the right forum with talk like :

I must be a business person or healthcare does not belong in a business model

That sounds more like Mother Jones than Jim Robinson

Problem with healthcare is everyone now deserves the Mayo Clinic and nobody wants realistic office visit and treatment and meds deductibles and copays and non payers get same insurance as you or I do..I assume you are a positive contributor

As for Hemsleys pay....that’s his name....his net worth rises when UHC stock does....he is one of their largest individual stockholders and has stock options that trigger at certain prices like ANY CEO of a public company would

You sound like someone bitter about their rising healthcare cost and uninformed about what happened

I have a family of 7

My blue cross silver level policy without dental was 350 a month at the time of Obama care

I’m self employed and participate in a Tenn Farm Bureau group policy...no I’m not a farmer but I have 10 acres...you pay a membership fee

Now what six years into as yet unrepealed Obama care

My once blue cross policy 350/month is nearly 1000 now and with UHC

Farm Bureau dropped Blue Cross because it was even higher

Almost tripled premium precisely after Obama care due to requirements etc

My policy had been 275-350 for at last ten years before

I am paying for folks who don’t pay

That is what Obama care is

Folks who have money and good health young people are footing the bill for the five dollar copay crowd

It ain’t complicated

That insurance companies are profiting from it is not the why of the problem but rather a consequence of the problem

That was free btw


39 posted on 11/01/2017 12:59:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (Virtue signalers should be shot on sight...conservative ones racked and hanged then fed to dogs)
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To: wardaddy
I hope I am on the right forum. I am a Conservative in classical mode and believe Jim is too, or is at least tolerant of same. I do not think Jim or true conservatism approves of essentially the Laisseze Faire capitalism you seem to be coming from.

I am coming from the same place as you with unbelievable insurance and drug increases and have been involved in health care for decades.

I do not know the history of the Blue Cross entity you participate in, but indeed Blue Cross used to be non-profits. Some, in recent years have begun to act like the business model insurance companies I object to and some, like one in California have lost their non-profit status. Maybe you need to check and see what is going on with your insurance.

Remember that generally non-profits are chartered in states, and the tax benefits allowed them are determined by IRS law/regs. So overreach by the company can be stopped much more easily than by a business like a United Health Care.

Mother Jones? No. The truly conservative position that the corporate, business model has no place in health care is one that used to be and worked well until the truly greedy business community got ahold of it. Sick people are not chess pieces to be moved on a chess board by profit motive.

40 posted on 11/01/2017 8:24:10 AM PDT by amihow
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