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Spain sends in ARMY to Catalonia as it pushes region to brink over referendum
Express ^ | Oct 4, 2017 | JON ROGERS

Posted on 10/04/2017 11:38:58 PM PDT by aquila48

SPAIN has sent two convoys of troops into Catalonia in a move that is likely to anger the regional parliament.

Troops from the Logistic Support Group 41 (AALOG 41) who are based in Aragon were told of their move at about 7pm last night.

The exact number of soldiers is not known but according to the newspaper El Confidencial, two contingents of troops are being sent in 20 trucks.

It is understood their orders are to provide logistical support to the Guardia Civil and national police still stationed in the region.

The appearance of troops is likely to be seen as highly controversial as the President of Catalonia Carles Puigdemont has previously referred to the presence of the Guardia Civil and national police as “occupying forces” and had said they should leave all four of the Catalan provinces immediately.

Former Vice President Alfonso Guerra defends the idea of sending the Army to Catalonia.

The former president and leader of socialist party PSOE Alfonso Guerra has defended the decision to send the Army into Catalonia in case the police were not able to control the situation created by a "pro-fascist" independence movement that is attempting "a coup d’etat".

In an interview with radio station Onda Cero, he recalled that in Paris the Army has been in the streets for a year because of the terrorist threat and that does not make France less of a democratic country.

Alfonso Guerra has supported the message that the King addressed the Spaniards last night because he made an emphasis "where it is needed, in the members of the coup d’etat", with whom he believes it is not possible to negotiate.

The troops are believed to have been stationed at the barracks in Santa Eulalia de Sant Boi de Llobregat, a few miles from Barcelona.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catalan; catalonia; election; europe; spain
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Things could get pretty hot there in a couple of days. Hopefully cooler heads prevail.
1 posted on 10/04/2017 11:38:58 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48
Members of the Guardia Civil attempt to disperse people wanting to vote


2 posted on 10/04/2017 11:41:28 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

If the people in this area of Spain are able to pull this off look for a similar illegal election in California next year.


3 posted on 10/04/2017 11:46:36 PM PDT by Fai Mao (I still want to see The PIAPS in prison)
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To: Fai Mao

California is never going to vote to leave, with or without a referendum.

If they did, President Trump should help them pack, rather than go full Lincoln and sic the U.S. military on them.


4 posted on 10/04/2017 11:49:31 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Trump20162020
California is never going to vote to leave, with or without a referendum.

True the Libs in California love telling the rest of the country how to live their lives.

They just couldn’t give that up.

5 posted on 10/04/2017 11:51:56 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Fai Mao
If the people in this area of Spain are able to pull this off look for a similar illegal election in California next year.

Why would it be illegal?

6 posted on 10/04/2017 11:53:03 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Pontiac

Secession is illegal. Once States join the US they can’t leave.


7 posted on 10/05/2017 12:03:25 AM PDT by Fai Mao (I still want to see The PIAPS in prison)
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To: aquila48

Hopefully the army kills all the muzzies in Catalonia.


8 posted on 10/05/2017 12:04:39 AM PDT by mindburglar
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To: Fai Mao

Where did you get that idea? Nothing in the Constitution suggest that.


9 posted on 10/05/2017 12:07:24 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Fai Mao

I think most of those in middle America would pay to get California out of the Union.


10 posted on 10/05/2017 12:08:28 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: Pontiac
California already has their new flag ready for when they separate....


11 posted on 10/05/2017 12:09:53 AM PDT by profit_guy
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To: aquila48

Your basic problem, in a nutshell, is that one side has lots of money and wants to leave while the other side has lots of guns and wants them to stay. Which side do you think will prevail. Stealing a phrase from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, “Guns will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no guns.”


12 posted on 10/05/2017 12:14:12 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Pontiac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

For starters


13 posted on 10/05/2017 12:14:44 AM PDT by Fai Mao (I still want to see The PIAPS in prison)
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To: Fai Mao
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This text from the Declaration of Independence states that a we have the right to throw off a government that we determine to be oppressive.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

This passage from the Declaration of Independence states that the original colonies were independent states (countries). Did someone repeal the Declaration of Independence and not tell me?

14 posted on 10/05/2017 12:18:30 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Fai Mao
You won’t win any arguments with me citing USSC decisions. The USSC does not have the power to amend the Constitution. You know as well as I do that the USSC has been usurping power since the first court decided Marbury V. Madison.

Just because the USSC says that the states can not secede does not mean that they can not.

Consider that this Texas v. White was decided 4 years after the Civil War and 650 thousand dead. The court was not going to rule that the Confederacy was right.

15 posted on 10/05/2017 12:29:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Well, I don’t know. Will anyone else with guns sell to the side with money?


16 posted on 10/05/2017 1:22:35 AM PDT by Paul R. (I don't want to be energy free, we want to be energy dominant in terms of the world. -D. Trump)
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To: Fai Mao
secession is illegal

You are reminding of the "forever" postage stamp.

Laughable.

Nothing is forever.

Our mission this year is to prove it to the NFL!
17 posted on 10/05/2017 1:39:01 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: aquila48

I’ve lost track. Is this a war or a rumor of war?


18 posted on 10/05/2017 1:55:54 AM PDT by Ingtar (American where the flag and culture offend, but the benefits are demanded.)
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To: Paul R.

Only if the people with the guns let them. This is where a 2nd Amendment would come in handy. The people might be outgunned but at least they could buy some time to arm themselves better. When they are virtually disarmed it’s a lot tougher. Tough to sympathize when they disarmed themselves willingly. They forgot to read the part in the history books where it says that government is the biggest threat to their safety.


19 posted on 10/05/2017 2:00:01 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

This sounds like a repeat of Tianamen Square. Hard to believe a supposedly civilized European country is throwing soldiers into the mix. One nervous soldier or protestor takes the first shot and this could turn into a bloodbath. When Yugoslavia split up it was initially peaceful then quickly escalated into open warfare.


20 posted on 10/05/2017 2:25:23 AM PDT by littleharbour
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