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Can ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Stop the Next Shooting?
Townhall.com ^ | October 3, 2017 | Michael Brown

Posted on 10/03/2017 10:02:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

Can ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Stop the Next Shooting?

In the aftermath of the Las Vegas massacre, Mark Kelly, husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, herself a shooting victim, said, “All we're hearing is thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers are important. They are not enough. Your thoughts and prayers aren't going to stop the next shooting.” Is he right? Yes and no.

Allow me to explain.

First, Mr. Kelly has every right to speak out against gun violence, since his own wife was almost killed by a demented gunman. I do not minimize his convictions.

Second, I agree that praying and taking action go hand in hand, and that if our laws need changing, we should change them.

Third, when we say “our thoughts and prayers” are with the victims and their families, it is often meaningless, just a trite expression without much behind it. “My thoughts and prayers are with you,” we say, and then we go on with our normal business. Of course this will not bring about significant change.

But what will bring about significant change, far beyond what any law can do, is if we really got serious and called for a national day of prayer and fasting, a day in which the government shut down its normal operations and schools and businesses were closed (wherever possible) and multiplied tens of millions of us fasted and prayed and repented and sought the favor of God.

What will bring about significant change is not merely saying, “My thoughts and prayers are with you” but rather praying like the fate of the nation hinged on our prayers since, in many ways, it does.

What we need is a solemn assembly, an urgent call to the nation, a time when the president will get on his knees and spend hours before God in soul searching and prayer. A time when Christian leaders will set an example of humility and repentance. A time when life will not go on as usual for 24 hours in America. That will certainly get the attention of heaven.

Looking back in American history, William Federer wrote in 2010, “To punish Massachusetts for the Tea Party, King George III decided to destroy its economy by blockading Boston’s harbor on June 1, 1774.

Thomas Jefferson drafted a Resolution for a “Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer” to be observed the same day. It was introduced in the Virginia House of Burgesses May 24, 1774, by Robert Carter Nicholas and supported by Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee and George Mason, passing unanimously:

“This House, being deeply impressed with apprehension of the great dangers, to be derived to British America, from the hostile invasion of the City of Boston, in our sister Colony of Massachusetts … deem it highly necessary that the said first day of June be set apart, by the members of this House as a Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, devoutly to implore the Divine interposition, for averting the heavy calamity which threatens destruction to our civil rights. … Ordered, therefore that the Members of this House do attend … with the Speaker, and the Mace, to the Church in this City, for the purposes aforesaid; and that the Reverend Mr. Price be appointed to read prayers, and the Reverend Mr. Gwatkin, to preach a sermon.”

George Washington wrote in his diary, June 1, 1774: “Went to church, fasted all day.”

Could something like that happen again? If it does, God will respond to our fasting and prayers and tears and repentance, and it could be the spark that helps ignite a great awakening. He may humble us, but He will also lift us up.

To repeat a simple message: America can only be great if America is good, and America can only be good with the help of God. We turn to Him, or we suffer the consequences. He remains ready to help and to heal.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: gabriellegiffords; lasvegas; prayer; shootings
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1 posted on 10/03/2017 10:02:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No. But an armed populace would even the odds.


2 posted on 10/03/2017 10:03:58 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: Kaslin

If it’s God’s will, yep. But as Jesus said, “Not my will, but yours.”

We are in a lost and fallen world. The amazing thing isn’t that this happened, but rather how rare it is.


3 posted on 10/03/2017 10:06:27 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Kaslin

“Gun control” is not legally within the purview of the federal government. “gun control” is constitutionally off limits to the feds.

“Gun control” is legally only within the purview of the states and the people of each state. “Gun control” is constitutionally a states’ issue.


4 posted on 10/03/2017 10:07:05 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Kaslin

To some extent, yes, because evil is filling the vacuum left by diminishing spirituality in our society. When women leave live babies in the trash, kill their children, or leave them with their violent boyfriend who then kills them, we’ve got much bigger problems than can be fixed with more legislation. When gangs have tattoos of the blessed virgin on their arms, but then go out and kill each other, men father children and then refuse to be fathers, people become multimillionaires writing ‘songs’ that call women ‘bi**hes’ and ‘w***es’, and children die from stray bullets, it’s not something that can be fixed by some narcissistic politician.


5 posted on 10/03/2017 10:12:38 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Kaslin

The entire culture must turn to Christ.

The chastisements across America and the world are manifest.

Hurricanes, earthquakes, shootings, both mass casualties and few.

We are like Israel of the OT, ignoring God’s commands and suffering the consequences across the centuries.

We pretend we can ignore God and do as we please without consequence.


6 posted on 10/03/2017 10:13:25 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Kaslin

Actually, YES

If these clowns had bona fide RELIGION in their hearts and minds, NO ONE would KILL anyone

Thou shalt not kill, ever heard of that?


7 posted on 10/03/2017 10:14:46 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("I am SpartaLee" Hey, NFL, why didn't you any of you bold guys hire Kaepernick? #GoodbyeGoodell)
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To: Kaslin

No.

Only the conscience and morality of each individual person can.

Which is why we have a serious problem.


8 posted on 10/03/2017 10:15:30 AM PDT by chris37 (Tagline is currently under repair!)
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To: Kaslin

We need to stop the senseless lightning-strike deaths, too!


9 posted on 10/03/2017 10:15:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: Kaslin

Gun control is a meaningless term if not outright oxymoronic.

Prayer is not.

You’d think someone given a 2nd chance at life would understand that.


10 posted on 10/03/2017 10:17:16 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Kaslin

Nope, wont do a thing, except make yourself feel better i guess...


11 posted on 10/03/2017 10:17:56 AM PDT by wyowolf (Be ware when the preachers take over the Republican party...)
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To: Kaslin

‘Religion of peace’ is not a harmless platitude!

To face Islamist terror, we must face the facts about Islam’s history

Douglas Murray

The West’s movement towards the truth is remarkably slow. We drag ourselves towards it painfully, inch by inch, after each bloody Islamist assault.

In France, Britain, Germany, America and nearly every other country in the world it remains government policy to say that any and all attacks carried out in the name of Mohammed have ‘nothing to do with Islam’. It was said by George W. Bush after 9/11, Tony Blair after 7/7 and Tony Abbott after the Sydney attack last month. It is what David Cameron said after two British extremists cut off the head of Drummer Lee Rigby in London, when ‘Jihadi John’ cut off the head of aid worker Alan Henning in the ‘Islamic State’ and when Islamic extremists attacked a Kenyan mall, separated the Muslims from the Christians and shot the latter in the head. And, of course, it is what President François Hollande said after the massacre of journalists and Jews in Paris last week.

All these leaders are wrong. In private, they and their senior advisers often concede that they are telling a lie. The most sympathetic explanation is that they are telling a ‘noble lie’, provoked by a fear that we — the general public — are a lynch mob in waiting. ‘Noble’ or not, this lie is a mistake. First, because the general public do not rely on politicians for their information and can perfectly well read articles and books about Islam for themselves. Secondly, because the lie helps no one understand the threat we face. Thirdly, because it takes any heat off Muslims to deal with the bad traditions in their own religion. And fourthly, because unless mainstream politicians address these matters then one day perhaps the public will overtake their politicians to a truly alarming extent.

If politicians are so worried about this secondary ‘backlash’ problem then they would do well to remind us not to blame the jihadists’ actions on our peaceful compatriots and then deal with the primary problem — radical Islam — in order that no secondary, reactionary problem will ever grow.

Yet today our political class fuels both cause and nascent effect. Because the truth is there for all to see. To claim that people who punish people by killing them for blaspheming Islam while shouting ‘Allah is greatest’ has ‘nothing to do with Islam’ is madness. Because the violence of the Islamists is, truthfully, only to do with Islam: the worst version of Islam, certainly, but Islam nonetheless.

Last week, a chink was broken in this wall of disinformation when Sajid Javid, the only Muslim-born member of the British cabinet, and one of its brightest hopes, dipped a toe into this water. After the Paris attacks, he told the BBC: ‘The lazy answer would be to say that this has got nothing whatsoever to do with Islam or Muslims and that should be the end of that.

That would be lazy and wrong.’ Sadly, he proceeded to utter the second most lazy thing one can say: ‘These people are using Islam, taking a peaceful religion and using it as a tool to carry out their activities.’

Here we land at the centre of the problem — a centre we have spent the last decade and a half trying to avoid: Islam is not a peaceful religion. No religion is, but Islam is especially not. It is certainly not, as some ill-informed people say, solely a religion of war. There are many peaceful verses in the Quran which — luckily for us — most Muslims live by. But it is by no means only a religion of peace.

I say this not because I hate Islam, nor do I have any special animus against Muslims, but simply because this is the verifiable truth based on the texts. Until we accept that we will never defeat the violence, we risk encouraging whole populations to take against all of Islam and abandon all those Muslims who are trying desperately to modernise, reform and de-literalise their faith. And — most importantly — we will give up our own traditions of free speech and historical inquiry and allow one religion to have an unbelievable advantage in the free marketplace of ideas.

It is not surprising that politicians have tried to avoid this debate by spinning a lie. The world would be an infinitely safer place if the historical Mohammed had behaved more like Buddha or Jesus. But he did not and an increasing number of people — Muslim and non-Muslim — have been able to learn this for themselves in recent years. But the light of modern critical inquiry which has begun to fall on Islam is a process which is already proving incredibly painful.

The ‘cartoon wars’ — which began when the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten published a set of cartoons in 2005 — are part of that. But as Flemming Rose, the man who commissioned those cartoons, said when I sat down with him this week, there remains a deep ignorance in the West about what people like the Charlie Hebdo murderers wish to achieve. And we keep ducking it. As Rose said, ‘I wish we had addressed all this nine years ago.’

Contra the political leaders, the Charlie Hebdo murderers were not lunatics without motive, but highly motivated extremists intent on enforcing Islamic blasphemy laws in 21st-century Europe. If you do not know the ideology — perverted or plausible though it may be — you can neither understand nor prevent such attacks.
Nor, without knowing some Islamic history, could you understand why — whether in Mumbai or Paris — the Islamists always target the Jews.

Of course, some people are willing to give up a few of our rights. There seems, as Rose says in his book on the Danish cartoons affair, The Tyranny of Silence, some presumption that a diverse society requires greater limitations on speech, whereas of course the more diverse the society, the more diverse you are going to have to see your speech be. It is not just cartoons, but a whole system of inquiry which is being shut down in the West by way of hard intimidation and soft claims of offence-taking.

The result is that, in contemporary Europe, Islam receives not an undue amount of criticism but a free ride which is unfair to all other religions. The night after the Charlie Hebdo atrocities I was pre-recording a Radio 4 programme. My fellow discussant was a very nice Muslim man who works to ‘de-radicalise’ extremists. We agreed on nearly everything. But at some point he said that one reason Muslims shouldn’t react to such cartoons is that Mohammed never objected to critics.

There may be some positive things to be said about Mohammed, but I thought this was pushing things too far and mentioned just one occasion when Mohammed didn’t welcome a critic. Asma bint Marwan was a female poetess who mocked the ‘Prophet’ and who, as a result, Mohammed had killed. It is in the texts. It is not a problem for me.

But I can understand why it is a problem for decent Muslims. The moment I said this, my Muslim colleague went berserk. How dare I say this? I replied that it was in the Hadith and had a respectable chain of transmission (an important debate). He said it was a fabrication which he would not allow to stand. The upshot was that he refused to continue unless all mention of this was wiped from the recording. The BBC team agreed and I was left trying to find another way to express the same point.

The broadcast had this ‘offensive’ fact left out.
I cannot imagine another religious discussion where this would happen, but it is perfectly normal when discussing Islam. On that occasion I chose one case, but I could have chosen many others, such as the hundreds of Jews Mohammed beheaded with his own hand. Again, that’s in the mainstream Islamic sources. I haven’t made it up.

It used to be a problem for Muslims to rationalise, but now there are people trying to imitate such behaviour in our societies it has become a problem for all of us, and I don’t see why people in the free world should have to lie about what we read in historical texts.

We may all share a wish that these traditions were not there but they are and they look set to have serious consequences for us all. We might all agree that the history of Christianity has hardly been un-bloody. But is it not worth asking whether the history of Christianity would have been more bloody or less bloody if, instead of telling his followers to ‘turn the other cheek’, Jesus had called (even once) for his disciples to ‘slay’ non–believers and chop off their heads?

This is a problem with Islam — one that Muslims are going to have to work through. They could do so by a process which forces them to take their foundational texts less literally, or by an intellectually acceptable process of cherry-picking verses. Or prominent clerics could unite to declare the extremists non-Muslim. But there isn’t much hope of this happening. Last month, al-Azhar University in Cairo declared that although Isis members are terrorists they cannot be described as heretics.

We have spent 15 years pretending things about Islam, a complex religion with competing interpretations. It is true that most Muslims live their lives peacefully. But a sizeable portion (around 15 per cent and more in most surveys) follow a far more radical version. The remainder are sitting on a religion which is, in many of its current forms, a deeply unstable component.

That has always been a problem for reformist Muslims. But the results of ongoing mass immigration to the West at the same time as a worldwide return to Islamic literalism means that this is now a problem for all of us. To stand even a chance of dealing with it, we are going to have to wake up to it and acknowledge it for what!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/religion-of-peace-is-not-a-harmless-platitude/


12 posted on 10/03/2017 10:18:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Now, that Trump is kicking their asses, they, _______, want to quit. (Fill in the blank!))
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To: Kaslin

No more or less effective than anything else.


13 posted on 10/03/2017 10:20:10 AM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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To: Skywise

Gabby Giffords may not realize, or may not care, that she is being used by the gun control people. She’s a sympathetic figure because of her ordeal. As a survivor she is imbued with what you could call a “moral authority” in this area.

But she’s still being used.


14 posted on 10/03/2017 10:21:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin

the question should be: can any gun control proposal stop the next shooting?


15 posted on 10/03/2017 10:26:16 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Kaslin

Congress needs to take action and pass a Constitutional carry law to prevent Democrat controlled states and cities from forcing their citizens to be unarmed victims.

Republicans need to move the goal posts and put the Democrats on defense. Use every gun tragedy as an opportunity to pass Second Amendment protection laws.


16 posted on 10/03/2017 10:27:42 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: chris37

Of course people who disbelieve in God believe him to be incapable of modifying those things in the creatures he has created. Christians recognize that the Bible records God changing the hearts of men both as individuals or entire nation’s.


17 posted on 10/03/2017 10:30:03 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: sparklite2
Yep..you nailed it right out of the gate.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

18 posted on 10/03/2017 10:35:08 AM PDT by wku man
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To: camle

No way.


19 posted on 10/03/2017 10:35:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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To: G Larry

Very well said, and so true


20 posted on 10/03/2017 10:36:57 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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