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After Vegas Shooting, It's Time to Take Private Security Seriously
Mises Institute ^ | October 2, 2017 | Ryan McMaken

Posted on 10/03/2017 6:19:48 AM PDT by Mafe

In the wake of the Aurora Theater shooting, I suggested that private sector establishments ought to be expected to be more concerned about the safety of their customers. In the case of the Aurora Theater, this was magnified by the fact that the theater was a "gun free zone" and did not allow patrons to carry their own firearms as self defense. At the same time, the theater owners themselves couldn't be bothered with taking even the most rudimentary steps against allowing a gunman to casually carry multiple weapons from his car into one of the theater's back doors.

The issue came up again with the Orlando shooting in 2016, when the perpetrator simply walked into a private establishment with a rifle and started shooting. Again, we find ourselves with a situation in which the owners of a private establishment refused to take simple steps such as checking entrances for people with rifles, or employing reasonably well-trained security personnel to be present inside the club.

I wasn't the only one to suggest that maybe, just maybe, private establishments such as the Orlando nightclub and the Aurora Theater may share some responsibility in preventing violence on their own premises.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: attack; paddock; shooting; vegas
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I agree completely with the author. Armed security may be costly, but in the case of Vegas, it's the only thing that could have potentially stopped the shooter. Gun-free zones should absolutely be abolished but a lone armed citizen can only do so much.
1 posted on 10/03/2017 6:19:49 AM PDT by Mafe
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To: Mafe

Checked baggage may have at least forced a confrontation, I mean how many full suitcases worth of guns did he bring up stairs? I heard 400 to 500 lbs.


2 posted on 10/03/2017 6:21:54 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Mafe

Here comes luggage inspections at hotel rooms.


3 posted on 10/03/2017 6:23:38 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Mafe

It is reported that the shooter had 10 suitcases in his room. There are cameras all over the hotels, but apparently, no one is watching the surveillance tapes. Otherwise, they would have seen this guy carrying all those suitcases to his room over his three-day stay.


4 posted on 10/03/2017 6:24:07 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Mafe

The author may be right, but it’s really a moot point. The cost of these security measures will drive most soft targets out of business. This is why nobody wants to host the Olympics anymore. I can see outdoor concert venues disappearing, too.


5 posted on 10/03/2017 6:25:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Morpheus2009

Aren’t there any ‘cosmoline-sniffing’ dogs around


6 posted on 10/03/2017 6:25:28 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: Drew68

I would say right at the lobby. Unless people zipline like James Bond into their hotel rooms, not giving them a chance before going up would be the best route.


7 posted on 10/03/2017 6:25:45 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Mafe

None of the venues want to pay

The average security guard is not much above a fast food company worker in all respects

These are constants and will not change


8 posted on 10/03/2017 6:26:44 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (Practicing random acts of Douchebaggery whenever possible)
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To: Mafe

Our armed forces call this step: PerSec
Personal Security


9 posted on 10/03/2017 6:28:13 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: txrefugee

I imagine every one in the hotel is busy with other things; no one has time to surveil every guest.


10 posted on 10/03/2017 6:28:32 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Mafe
...the Aurora Theater, was a "gun free zone" and did not allow patrons to carry their own firearms as self defense


11 posted on 10/03/2017 6:28:35 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, Baby!!)
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To: Morpheus2009

You want hotel luggage inspections? No thanks, I’ll pass on that.


12 posted on 10/03/2017 6:29:29 AM PDT by Codeflier (Thank you for speaking truth to power President Trump)
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To: Drew68

Baggage inspections for LV hotels would be a huge challenge. The lines and delays are already bad and luggage/metal detector requirements would be worse than at airports. The hotels are tourist attractions themselves and there is a constant movement of people through them, many with wheeled luggage. There is also integral shopping and entertainment venues within the hotels so those would have to be reconfigured also. It will be a huge mess.


13 posted on 10/03/2017 6:30:29 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Mafe

Its time to use common sense. In this day and age with Islamic terrorism, Antifa, demented lone wolf leftist lunatics among us allowed to run free, somehow the accumulation of all those arms and ammo in a rented hotel room should not have gone unnoticed.


14 posted on 10/03/2017 6:31:39 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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How is private security going to stop a madman with an automatic weapon firing hundreds of rounds into a crowd of thousands that are fenced into basically a kill box? The nutjob obviously planned this out for a while with the intent of killing sitting ducks.


15 posted on 10/03/2017 6:33:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Drew68
Ain't going to happen. Hotels would lose customers over this sort of thing. If they imposed security measures like this, I could envision a scenario where everyone traveling to Las Vegas prefers to stay at small motels off the strip.

Hotels will eliminate their windows before they do this.

16 posted on 10/03/2017 6:33:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Truth29

What is needed is a high tech detection system that does not have a negative effect on guests.

That is one of my issues with airport security—is there no way to look for explosives without inconveniencing passengers?

If it does not exist hopefully some geeky Freeper will invent it!


17 posted on 10/03/2017 6:34:12 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: Mafe

My questions is how many guns and ammo purchases can a person make and not raise suspicions among the people doing background checks.


18 posted on 10/03/2017 6:35:14 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: SMARTY
"Aren’t there any ‘cosmoline-sniffing’ dogs around"

Well, that might reduce the Muslim presence, but one of the tourist attractions in Vegas is the various shooting ranges, particularly the ones that offer full auto and minigun experiences. A lot of tourists end up coming back to their hotels covered in GSR.

19 posted on 10/03/2017 6:35:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: txrefugee

Yeah, like you’d become suspicious seeing someone hauling luggage around a hotel. Also to make that observation, you’d need the same person with a photographic memory watching 24/7.

Also we’d need similar levels of security for every elevated position. Like clock towers, book depositories, etc. Could also have been from an apartment building.

Bottom line is that such security measures are always reactive. Someone really determined to do something like this will always find a way.


20 posted on 10/03/2017 6:35:32 AM PDT by GMMC0987
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