Posted on 09/25/2017 5:13:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
In a relatively rare admission for an American scholar, a leading U.S. historian who authored a provocative new tome about North American military conflicts states bluntly that Canada won the War of 1812.
Johns Hopkins University professor Eliot Cohen, a senior adviser to former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, writes in his just-published book Conquered Into Liberty that, “ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812.”
And Cohen acknowledges that, “Americans at the time, and, by and large, since, did not see matters that way.”
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalpost.com ...
The U.S. won one of the final battles of the War of 1812 on August 9, 1988. Every hockey fan in North America ought to know the significance of that date!
Was that stopped after the War?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004T4KRHY/
“Conquered into Liberty: Two Centuries of Battles along the Great Warpath that Made the American Way of War”
I always thought it was a draw. Neither side won but realized the war was a mistake.
I think I read that it was an odd victory, as our forces (I don’t remember which) were surrounded when the war was called off.
Tell that to Andrew Jackson.
Some call the War the Second American Revolution because the end result was securing British respect for American sovereignty, including American flagged ships and the American Navy.
Was that stopped after the War?
Some people think it was stopped before the war and the real reason was that we wanted to take over Canada.
Actually, communications were so slow that we didn't know that the British had offered to repeal the Orders in Council and stop impressment until after we'd already declared war.
But yes, in practice the British stopped doing that after the war.
One might say the war of 1812 was essentially a draw, but strictly speaking the Americans obtained the war aims they set out to win in the beginning. Great Britain soon was willing to drop their impressment of American sailors, and abandoned plans to change the border with Canada. In fact Great Britain never really wanted the war to begin with, but only Jackson’s victory in the Battle of New Orleans prevented the British from leveraging any gains they might have won there, as the Treaty of Ghent had not yet been ratified.
Details, details....
I think so. For the Brits, the war was a sideshow of the greater war with Napoleon. With his defeat at Waterloo, they accepted the US with the Louisiana Purchase added. Britain, however, did not really stop interference with the US until the 1870’s when the united Germany became their chief rival.
They didn't have to stick around for sixteen years to achieve that result? Wow, we've sure advanced over the intervening century.
Shudda let them keep Detroit
Please take this as rank speculation steeped in fantasy.
The peoples of the western provinces have more in common with the US cultures just below them than the provinces have with the central government in Ontario.
The Canadian federal government denies the provinces sole possession of their own mineral resources.
The irritation of treating Quebec as if it is somehow endangered while forcing English speakers outside Quebec to accept French, then letting Quebec actively discriminate against Anglophones, becomes a catalyst for breaking up.
If Canada were to break up, look for the western provinces, BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba to join the US. Ontario would remain as the nation of Canada along with the Northern Territories. Quebec would break off to become French Canada, probably taking her trading partners, the Maritimes, with her.
Or maybe not. Without transfer payments from the rest of Canada, Quebec might be too economically challenged to administer the provinces east of her. In that case, the Maritimes, unable to survive economically on their own (they’re a basket case now) would petition to join the US. The US might not want to add to her number of dependent states. It could get interesting.
“Canada won the War of 1812”
Canada didn’t exist. It was a colony of Great Britain, no different than Bermuda, or Jamaica.
Western Canada is ready to gp now. We bring the world’s largest supplies of oil and natural gas and agriculture, mines and forests.
We have the people with the right spirit (for the most part), let’s get this done.
The Canadian federal government denies the provinces sole possession of their own mineral resources.
I don't know if this is true. Having lived in western Canada and done business up there, I can only remember dealing with industries like logging and oil/gas that dealt with the provincial governments. One of the great advantages of NAFTA, in fact, is that it prohibits the Canadian government from getting too heavily involved in any of their industries up there.
As you correctly point out, the natural trend over time has been for Canadian provinces and regions to trade more freely with their southern counterparts than their Canadian neighbors. I don't see that changing anytime soon, unless it's the U.S. (not Canada) that pushes to change it.
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