[af_vet_1981]

I remember reading that the US didn’t win the war of 1812, but didn’t particularly lose it, either.

The United States
1. won the War of 1812 against the greatest military on earth, the British.
2. lost the War of 1812 against the Canadians, who included those Americans who remained loyal to Great Britain and moved there after the Revolutionary War.

[kearnyirish2]

Moved there after the Revolution? They were expelled, and their properties seized (some ended up on British islands as well). We had no use for monarchists after the Revolution.

If you see the forts on the Canadian side of the border (mostly museums today), it is hard to believe they viewed it as a victory.