The forgotten Holocaust: How Stalin starved four million to death

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[dsc]

For all my life, the figure was 20 million.

Over the past decade, it has been shrinking steadily.

I don’t trust a member of the HI faculty.

[Skooz]

The 20 million figure is for the totality of the Stalin regime.

The 4 million figure is only for the “Harvest of Sorrow” holocaust in the Ukraine in the 1930s.

[Ambrosia]

Noone appears to know the real number, because so many were in Siberia, and here it talks of Ukraine, so not limited to any one area.... 20 million in all could be realistic!

https://ukraineanalysis.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/genocide-or-not-stalin-starved-millions-to-death-and-soviet-regime-concealed-for-54-years/

[jjotto]

Twenty million is widely accepted as total Stalin victims including forced collectivization and gulags. The number is probably low.

[miss marmelstein]

Goofy Never Trumper Alert.

[dsc]

“The 20 million figure is for the totality of the Stalin regime.”

It was not always so. It used to be the number starved in the Ukraine.

[FreedomPoster]

Both of those numbers are substantially low, per Rummel.

[stinkerpot65]

Every liberal is a violent totalitarian thug.

[Skooz]

Robert Conquest has put the number at 40 million.

I remember reading years ago that Soviet records proved most of Conquest’s claims as substantially true.

[Impy]

How so?

[AdmSmith]

Thanx

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure.

[SunkenCiv]

The post-breakup organization Memoriale placed the number closer to 40 million, and that was based on the avalanche of availablity of the old secret police records. Metiiculous records, mostly with photos of the victims, were filed, showing the phony charges and the dispositions (execution, gulag).