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California poised to become 'sanctuary' state. But do such policies work?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | September 13, 2017 | Jessica Mendoza

Posted on 09/13/2017 3:30:10 PM PDT by Jagermonster

POLITICAL VALUES     The California Assembly is expected to pass State Bill 54, which would take statewide 'sanctuary' policies on immigrants who are in the US illegally. As loud as the calls for and against these laws have become, hard data on the impact they've had at the local level is still scarce.

LOS ANGELES AND OAKLAND, CALIF. —California is one step closer to calling itself a “sanctuary state.”

On Monday Gov. Jerry Brown (D) and state Senate leader Kevin De León struck a deal on Senate Bill 54, or the California Values Act, making the state potentially the next in the nation to limit state and local law enforcement’s ability to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Only Oregon has a similar law, which it passed in 1987 – though some have called Illinois’ newly signed TRUST Act a sanctuary state measure. New Mexico and Colorado also have comparable proposals pending in their respective legislatures.

The move to take sanctuary policies statewide comes in a year in which the Trump administration has vowed to take action against cities and counties that have adopted measures to shield undocumented immigrants from deportation. More than 500 jurisdictions now have some form of sanctuary policy in the books. The trend has prompted backlash from the Department of Justice and some police departments, which say that such policies make it more difficult for law enforcement to maintain public safety.

“We believe that it is in everyone’s best interest to have [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] remove dangerous and violent criminals because the people they prey on are disproportionately the immigrant community itself,” says Bill Brown, sheriff of Santa Barbara County and president of the California Sheriffs’ Association.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ice; illegalimmigrant; sanctuarycity
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1 posted on 09/13/2017 3:30:10 PM PDT by Jagermonster
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To: Jagermonster

California will be in a state of rebellion if they pass this law. Their governor and all who support this law should be arrested, prosecuted for treason, and then executed.


2 posted on 09/13/2017 3:31:22 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: Jagermonster

Wrong question.

Right question: Do such polices violate the U.S. Constitution? I think so.


3 posted on 09/13/2017 3:33:48 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jagermonster

Can federal law enforcement funds be withheld?


4 posted on 09/13/2017 3:35:28 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (https://imgoat.com/uploads/645920e395/39513.gif)
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To: MeganC
Their governor and all who support this law should be arrested, prosecuted for treason, and then executed.

Should, but won't. Trump should punish them via withholding of federal funds, but won't. The wall should be built along California first. It may, but it will also be subject to sabotage, supported by the state.

I realize Trump was up against it after the election, but so many issues are just slipping through the cracks. The people who are allowed to remain in their government jobs is near the top of the disappointments so far.

5 posted on 09/13/2017 3:37:18 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Jagermonster

Elected officials in California are more interested in illegal aliens than representing citizens of the state. This is treason.


6 posted on 09/13/2017 3:40:41 PM PDT by Fungi (90 percent of all soil biomass is a fungus. Fungi rule the world.)
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Right now the California counties and cities are naming committees and holding hearings about how to deal with the homeless hordes encamping in every park, riverbed, or empty lot. As usual they are calling for more government services to help the unfortunates get on their feet.
7 posted on 09/13/2017 3:42:11 PM PDT by oldbrowser (There is a striking similarity between Islamist, BLM, Antifa, Nazis, anarchists, and the democrats.)
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To: Fungi

Open revolt by elected officials should be countered with a declaration of martial law and forcible removal from office.


8 posted on 09/13/2017 3:46:00 PM PDT by soupbone1
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To: Jagermonster

Does this mean that there will be open immigration to California, i.e. anyone who wants to immigrate to California and vote, receive welfare, receive medical care, receive all the benefits of US citizenship, etc. may do so?


9 posted on 09/13/2017 3:47:00 PM PDT by Savage Beast (To the insane, the sane appear insane. MAGA = Renaissance!)
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To: Jagermonster

America needs to stop accepting their driver’s licenses as ID and should consider requiring passports.


10 posted on 09/13/2017 3:47:22 PM PDT by PTBAA
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jerry brown and at least some in the Californication legislature know full well that immigration law is a matter of federal jurisdiction

anything they pass on that topic is primarily for show
and cannot change much in the real world


11 posted on 09/13/2017 3:48:17 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: Jagermonster

When did liberals start caring whether a program worked or not?


12 posted on 09/13/2017 3:55:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Jagermonster
 

California poised to become 'sanctuary' state. But do such policies work?

 

Sure they work. Just not maybe the way libs want them to work.

See?

California’s poverty rate remains nation’s highest

‎9‎/‎13‎/‎2017‎ ‎9‎:‎26‎:‎27‎ ‎AM · by C19fan · 44 replies

13 posted on 09/13/2017 4:03:17 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Jeff Chandler

I would insist all federal disbursements to CA end if they are just going to give it to every illegal that wanders up.


14 posted on 09/13/2017 4:05:59 PM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump.)
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To: MeganC

A+


15 posted on 09/13/2017 4:06:19 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation ("You can't fix America without pissing off the people who broke it".....Bill Mitchell)
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To: Jim 0216
Do such polices violate the U.S. Constitution?

The problem with that question is you'll get the classic lawyer's answer - "it depends."

Sure, Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization," and the courts have pretty much treated that as an unlimited grant of federal power over immigration. But what laws have been passed that require reporting? The closest I could find (after a very brief search) is 8 U.S.C. § 1373, which prohibits prohibiting reporting immigration status to ICE. It does not speak to simply not reporting, if one is disinclined to do so.

I'm inclined to think that this funky double negative construction is how Congress got around the fact that the Federal government technically does not have a general police power, which (I think) would be required in order for the Federal government to tell local police how to do their jobs.

In short, as far as I can tell, Sanctuary city policies aren't unconstitutional. They're just not all prohibited by Congress yet.

I would suggest that a prosecutorial discretion, use your best judgment about reporting, would probably pass muster at this point. If we don't like that, Congress can change it.

Disclaimer - I am not a constitutional or immigration lawyer, so please, don't take my word for it.
16 posted on 09/13/2017 4:07:40 PM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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Will work until tax money runs out as in the people of CA are taxed beyond their ability to pay. But then the state will confiscate whatever resources they have, house, car, whatever in order to take care of those Dreamers and other illegal border crashers.


17 posted on 09/13/2017 4:08:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Notice How Our Symbol Of America Is Brown And White?)
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To: Jagermonster

Jeff Sessions will mumble about it and do nothing.


18 posted on 09/13/2017 4:13:16 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: CatOwner

Yep, you are 100% correct.


19 posted on 09/13/2017 4:13:51 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Uncle Sam 911

Perhaps we will see a “new” Excutive Order come from Trump claiming “Kalifornica” is cut off for ALL Federal funding for ANYTHING and permanently. Maybe, just maybe we will get lucky.


20 posted on 09/13/2017 4:21:12 PM PDT by DaveA37
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