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Beware the Broken Window Fallacy: Some Economists Still Think Disasters are Good for the Economy
Foundation for Economic Education ^ | 09/12/2017 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 09/12/2017 10:33:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

Jeff Jacoby

Jeff Jacoby has been a columnist for The Boston Globe since 1994. He has degrees from George Washington University and from Boston University Law School. Before entering journalism, he (briefly) practiced law at the prominent firm of Baker & Hostetler, worked on several political campaigns in Massachusetts, and was an assistant to Dr. John Silber, the president of Boston University. In 1999, Jeff became the first recipient of the Breindel Prize, a major award for excellence in opinion journalism. In 2014, he was included in the “Forward 50,” a list of the most influential American Jews.

1 posted on 09/12/2017 10:33:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Frederic Bastiat’s broken window fallacy is less obvious under a debt-based monetary system and fiat currency.

Yes, its true that a storm destroying a car may be good for Toyota or Ford, but what about the owner who suffers the loss? Or, the insurance company who has to cover the owner’s loss? Or the government who bails out the insurance company?

The cost must end up somewhere. In our present system though, the cost is just swallowed into the pit of massive government debt in our printed currency. It allows people like Krugman to see it as just another debt-based, money-printed stimulus scheme.


2 posted on 09/12/2017 10:39:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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Some Economists Still Think Disasters are Good for the Economy

Hurricanes Harvey and Irma actually will lead to increased economic activity ... New York Fed President William Dudley said in an interview.

Increased economic activity.

3 posted on 09/12/2017 10:40:52 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: PGR88

Very good post. You could make the case that the “broken-window principle” is a fallacy at a small scale but may be legitimate at a larger scale when national monetary policy is changed to fix the “broken window.”


4 posted on 09/12/2017 10:45:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: SeekAndFind

They must be Ferengi Econo-misseds.........
Ferengi Rules of acquisition:

War is good for business.
Peace is good for business.
Disasters are good for business.


5 posted on 09/12/2017 10:47:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Alberta's Child

The broken glass meme is nonsense. Although some economists say the Depression was not ended by WWII, it seems to me it was. Does broken glass work on a huge scale?


6 posted on 09/12/2017 10:49:52 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: PGR88

You get a short-term burst of retail economic activity when insurance companies are forced to empty their reserve funds to pay claims, which gets spent in the real economy.

The unseen back end of that transaction is a reduction in the amount of available investment capital.


7 posted on 09/12/2017 10:50:12 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Massive disasters do “help” the economy... the problem is - most of the disaster recovery spending is actually debt-based, which actually digs an ever-deeper hold that long-term cripples the economy.

Sure - there will be quite a few people with work to do - many new short-term jobs will be created... But ultimately, the hole gets deeper.

How many $billions with taxpayers be spending via taxes (or borrowed money from the Fed with interest) in disaster funding just on these two hurricanes? It is a staggering amount.


8 posted on 09/12/2017 10:50:33 AM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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To: SeekAndFind

In theory, structures built prior to the building code changes will be rebuilt to a better standard and suffer less loss in the next storm.


9 posted on 09/12/2017 10:51:31 AM PDT by ealgeone
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Some Economists Still Think Disasters are Good for the Economy

Already covered in the Fifth Element.

"Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Now take this empty glass. Here it is: peaceful, serene, boring. But if it is destroyed...

[Pushes the glass off the table. It shatter on the floor, and several small machines come out to clean it up]

Zorg: Look at all these little things! So busy now! Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color. Now, think about all those people that created them. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of people, who will be able to feed their children tonight, so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain of life. You see, father, by causing a little destruction, I am in fact encouraging life. In reality, you and I are in the same business."

10 posted on 09/12/2017 10:54:17 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: SeekAndFind

I disagree

I believe disasters to be a net positive in the long run.

Everything damaged will be replaced with new items even aging infrastructure that otherwise would have sat continuing to decay.


11 posted on 09/12/2017 10:56:10 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Make America Great Again !)
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Hi.

Only took 2 posts.

FR is pretty damn good.

5.56mm


12 posted on 09/12/2017 10:56:16 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: PGR88

Well said.


13 posted on 09/12/2017 10:58:01 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: sparklite2

In order to win WW2 Roosevelt had to release US businesses from their socialist New Deal purgatory. So yes, WW2 was good for the economy, but in the same way that an enema is good for your stomach. The both removed a roadblock to increased activity.


14 posted on 09/12/2017 11:01:16 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: SeekAndFind
If these economists were right, and there weren't enough natural disasters, we should have the Air Force carpet-bomb a few cities. Maybe that would finally convince them of the fallacy of their ideas.
15 posted on 09/12/2017 11:02:05 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney
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“It seems almost in bad taste to talk about dollars and cents after an act of mass murder


Yet there was some positive fallout from the Black Death.

“The most immediate consequence was a halt to the campaigns of the Hundred Years’ War. In the long term, the decrease in population caused a shortage of labour, with subsequent rise in wages, resisted by the landowners, which caused deep resentment among the lower classes. The Peasants’ Revolt of 1381 was largely a result of this resentment, and even though the rebellion was suppressed, in the long term serfdom was ended in England. The Black Death also affected artistic and cultural efforts, and may have helped advance the use of the vernacular.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_in_England


16 posted on 09/12/2017 11:02:36 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Well heck, then let’s replace all items everywhere. We will be rich!


17 posted on 09/12/2017 11:03:54 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: sparklite2
Although some economists say the Depression was not ended by WWII, it seems to me it was.

If the Depression was ended by WWII mobilization, production and consumption, then why didn't the USA plunge right back into Depression when 12 million soldiers returned home and war spending was reduced by 90%?

18 posted on 09/12/2017 11:05:44 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Alberta's Child

Not legitimate at any scale under honest accounting. The value lost is not accounted for, while the value “created” is. Done.


19 posted on 09/12/2017 11:08:01 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: JoeFromSidney

*Milo Minderbinder Enterprises would contract the job out and everyone would get a share of the profits. Win win. Especially if the cities were Detroit, Newark, and well, you know what I mean.

* A reference to Catch-22


20 posted on 09/12/2017 11:08:10 AM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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