Posted on 09/12/2017 9:10:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
FRANKFURT - European car bosses are beginning to address the realities of mass vehicle electrification, and its consequences for jobs and profit, their minds focused by government pledges to outlaw the combustion engine.
As the latest such announcement on Monday by China added momentum to a push for zero-emissions motoring, Daimler, Volkswagen and PSA Group gave details about their electric programs that could give policymakers some pause.
Planned electric Mercedes models will initially be just half as profitable as conventional alternatives, Daimler warned - forcing the group to find savings by outsourcing more component manufacturing, which may in turn threaten German jobs.
“In-house production is almost irrelevant to the consumer,” Daimler boss Dieter Zetsche told reporters in the midst of a German election campaign in which automotive jobs have loomed large.
A phase-out of combustion engines by 2030 could cost 600,000 jobs in Germany alone, the country’s Ifo economic institute has warned.
Since the battery is the single biggest-value item in an electric car, however, experts point out that mass adoption would shift business and jobs from European suppliers to China, which already dominates the automotive power-pack market.
Independent analyst Richard Windsor warned that far from boosting the industry, a shift to electric cars - which are expected to last longer than combustion-engined equivalents and require less maintenance - could inflict long-term damage.
“Vehicle makers are queuing up to announce their commitment to electric vehicles but at the same time they may be cheering for their own demise,” he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
And IC won the competition.EV are like Hitlery refusing to acknowledge reality.
EVs might be useful for short commutes and grocery shopping trips and the like in compact urban areas with moderate climate, but are total non-starters for the long distances in the mountain west states with extreme winters and extreme summers. EVs are not general purpose vehicles due to limited on board energy capacity.
“But that technology is not quite on the market yet.”
yeah, i’ve been reading that exact same thing over and over again for at least the last 50 years.
9 minutes would probably be acceptable.
I agree, however, I presume this is based on optimal conditions... still don’t think battery technology is quire there yet, getting closer, but not where it needs to be.
And some of them are driving a nuclear powered car!
heheheh, brings to mind the “Team America” liberal heads exploding!
What are you talking about? The Chrysler SNAFU was under Schrempp. And it cost Daimler billions.
The claim on the link you posted was 9 minutes for 125 miles for the Fisker. I am not aware of any charging stations including Tesla that can handle that load. Note is 125 miles instead of 400 miles. They are working on it, but it is not available now.
he projected shortage of electricity to drive all these electric cars is part of the plan.
Electricity will be rationed, and only the elites will have unlimited access to the grid.
The rest of us will have our freedom to move about restricted by government edict, and tracked, all in the name of saving the planet.
Agreed.
Think about anyone with an electric car attempting to evacuate Florida or Texas? Disaster in the making...
Also, so easy to track in addition to ration.
China and Afghanistan have a small common border......
Leading to yet another superpower starting a war in Afghanistan...
I hear what you’re saying, but I’ve seen some things the last year or so concerning Battery Technology and seriously there are some major breakthroughs and safety research going on right now for replacing the current Battery Technology from Double A’s two household storage batteries for solar power. Very informative and it looks like there’s going to be some things happening here in the near future.
The exploding Samsung androids seemed to push the emphasis.
Currently household solar storage batteries are very expensive and they run very hot and they Are very efficient but cost-prohibitive. There’s a company up in Pittsburgh that has been working with salt water batteries and they’re very large and they’re very low-tech but they do the job just fine because they don’t have to be portable and they do it for a lot less money than the high-tech stuff that is the only available choice at this point in time. That was good news for me because there are some things that I would like to put on solar not the whole house. It’s one thing to have solar and it’s another thing to have to rely on car batteries to store your power which will only last just a small amount of time maybe an hour or two. These saltwater batteries would require an outbuilding to put them in and to put them in series they’re that big. But as I said they don’t have to be portable is that’s not really a downside currently you would need Banks of batteries anyway only these batteries are a lot less expensive they’re just like gargantuan car batteries that run on salt water rather than hydrochloric acid and some other things. If you research batteries ancients batteries have been around for quite a while and the premise was saltwater and some electrodes which caused the electrons to go back and forth. The stir and making it those Adams ready for accepting charges. The actual battery itself is a rather simple device but coming up with materials to make them safer and to make the charges last longer has been difficult. Samsung tried it and compressed everything to the point where their phones were exploding and if you’ve ever seen a video of a Android phone exploding you really need to go to YouTube and check one out it’s a major conflagration.
China and Afghanistan have a small common border......
I thought it was Bolivia... from wiki -
As of 2015, most of the world's lithium production is in South America, where lithium-containing brine is extracted from underground pools and concentrated by solar evaporation. The standard extraction technique is to evaporate water from brine. Each batch takes from 18 to 24 months.
Afghanistan’s lithium has NOT BEEN TAPPED because of the War, but it’s huge. Whoever gets final control of Afghanistan will control world lithium markets..................
Idiot liberal fake news. In no way is combustion engine technology dim. It only has gotten brighter and brighter.
Of course 9 minutes compounds if you have to wait behind another car or 2 before you get your turn at the “pump.”
Maybe, but some of the 2010 report you quote (NYT by way of AOL) may have been Pentagon propaganda...:^)
China doesn't throw money like that away on propaganda.................
I thank God that I am older and won’t have to watch this idiocy play out. God luck, youngsters.
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