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Evolutionists Tripping Over Human Tracks on Crete
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | September 4, 2017 | David F. Coppedge

Posted on 09/05/2017 8:27:10 AM PDT by fishtank

September 4, 2017 | David F. Coppedge

Evolutionists Tripping Over Human Tracks on Crete These can’t be hominid tracks. They are far too early! Well, then, who made them?

Per Ahlberg and his friends publishing in the Proceedings of the Geologists’ Association have gotten their field of paleoanthropology in hot water. Writing in The Conversation, Ahlberg, from the University of Uppsala, says, “Our controversial footprint discovery suggests human-like creatures may have roamed Crete nearly 6m years ago.” Six million years? That’s way back before humans were supposed to have evolved. This not only throws the evolutionary timeline out of whack, it threatens the “out of Africa” hypothesis and suggests (to evolutionists) that humans evolved in Europe.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; footprint; human
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To: usconservative
You are right to admit you are not smart. Carbon dating is a straightforward method of determining age. It helps to know how and why it works before discounting it as such.

Carbon comes in 2 main isotopes, C12 and C14. There is a ratio in the environment of C12 to C14. When living things eat and create organic molecules in their bodies, the ratio is the same as in the environment. This ratio is fixed at death.

After death, the carbon C14 decays by one of its neutrons throwing of an electron, and in the process the C14 becomes a different isotope of nitrogen which then loses its bonds to some of the other atoms around it and it goes into the atmosphere. Thus, the ratio of C12 to C14 changes. Carbon 14 has a half-life of about 6000 years. So the ratio changes to favor the stable C12. The half life and the ratio is the way to estimate the age, although I don't know the math. Eventually all of the C14 decays away,and that is why carbon dating in only good for a few hundred thousand years.

I thank God for giving us the gift of carbon dating so that science can free us of the tyranny of sacred writings. Thank you, God.

21 posted on 09/05/2017 9:51:52 AM PDT by webheart (Grammar police on the scene.)
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To: fishtank

So the prints were made in soft sedimentary material by something or someone. Soft mud.

And that soft mud imprint lasted millions of years.

Okay.


22 posted on 09/05/2017 9:54:00 AM PDT by lurk
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To: ClearCase_guy
You mean like Global Warming, Global Climate, Global Weather Change?
23 posted on 09/05/2017 9:58:51 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: webheart

And the same applies to other, longer lived isotopes and daughter products. The biggest impediment to accuracy becomes determining whether or not the rock or fossil in question was “reset” at some time by weathering or metamorphic events and that’s where you have to start looking at the lithic thermal gradient etc...

Heck, bristlecone pines provide dendrochronology back 50-60K years with carbon confirmation.


24 posted on 09/05/2017 10:09:24 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: lurk

Yea, because successive layers covered them and it was subsequently lithified and then later exposed by either preferential weathering along bedding planes or with a rock hammer..


25 posted on 09/05/2017 10:13:09 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: lurk
"Soft mud imprint lasted millions of years"

That always sounds improbable, doesn't it? But fossilized remains seem equally improbable with creatures dying in water or muck, getting covered quickly in mud, that mud or sea sediment remaining undisturbed and remaining so for hundreds of millions of years. I used to find these all the time in the shale in upstate NY.


26 posted on 09/05/2017 10:20:11 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: webheart

One thing you did not mention is that the carbon ratio is based on the amount of sunlight hitting the earth. Less sunlight will show older than true results. If the earth had a thick cloud layer before the flood, everything would appear much older than it really is.


27 posted on 09/05/2017 10:29:13 AM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: caligatrux

I have a long-held belief this current “earth age” is about 6 thousand years in duration. There have been other “earth ages” when The Almighty created other living things.

The earth just where The Almighty does “creation” stuff. Kinda like a garden patch. (I bust up my summer garden in fall and you’d never know there was “life” there during the summer.) I believe this “earth age” of Grace ends at the conclusion of Christ’s 1,000 year reign.

And yes, the earth is an old rock but this current “earth age” isn’t.
Interesting that Genesis states God created vegetation on day three but didn’t create the sun until day four.


28 posted on 09/05/2017 10:32:10 AM PDT by Original Lurker
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To: webheart; usconservative
I thank God for giving us the gift of carbon dating so that science can free us of the tyranny of sacred writings. Thank you, God.

Carbon dating is used to determine the approximate age of organic material since it's death. It's not used to determine the age of foot prints in concrete.
29 posted on 09/05/2017 10:39:19 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: fishtank

There’s no small irony to be found in a bunch of Young Earth Creationists getting their yucks from the possibility that evolutionary theory will have to be adjusted to account for evidence that humanity has been around for six million years.

Does this mean that the YEC are acknowledging that the earth is at least six million years old?


30 posted on 09/05/2017 10:53:49 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: caligatrux

“I’m just saying conclusively dating anything as X millions of years old is suspect.”

I’d also be suspect of dating someone who was ten million years old.


31 posted on 09/05/2017 10:56:39 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: lurk

“So the prints were made in soft sedimentary material by something or someone. Soft mud. And that soft mud imprint lasted millions of years. Okay.”

Barring an asteroid impact Neil Armstrong’s footprints on the moon will be there for millions and maybe even billions of years. And they were made in soft dust.


32 posted on 09/05/2017 10:59:37 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: Don Corleone

Where are these ancient astronauts and what are their theories?


33 posted on 09/05/2017 11:00:08 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: webheart

Has anyone determined the effect of pressure on C14 decay? If C14 can be PROVEN to be effected by pressure, then all dating is wrong. Bones buried under tons of rock and dirt are subject to tremendous pressure.

Has anyone ever raised this question?


34 posted on 09/05/2017 11:00:53 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: webheart

I believe the ratio of c14/c12 is not always the same as c14 is produced in upper atmosphere by nuclear teactions secondary to cosmic ray bombardment...nuclear reactors can make it...burning old fossil fuel can change the ratio of c14/c12 in atmosphere..also one doesnt know the ratio of c14/c12 in object at time of fixation since c14/c12 ratio is variable. How does one calibrate an unknown vs. another unknown?
I believe it was Anderson who in 1971 published papers demonstrating that the decay rate of c14 did not behave as a statistical Poisson distribution in an electrified monolayer preparation. The decay rate was not constant. Have you ever wondered why (statistically speaking)one particular c14 will decay...while the one next door waits 5730 years...give or take a few years to decay? I dont know...could it be that unknown nuclear reactions unrelated to time make a c14 atom decay....?


35 posted on 09/05/2017 11:03:04 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find)
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To: JimRed

ORLY?

36 posted on 09/05/2017 11:06:27 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: JimSEA
"We need more observations as always."

What else we got to do, contribute to global warming?

37 posted on 09/05/2017 11:15:24 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy is not what it used to be.)
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To: ZULU
And, yes, I believe in God and the Bible. And NO, there is no conflict between that and evolution.

There absolutely is a conflict between belief in God and the Theory of Evolution. Something that is created could not have evolved.

God CREATED the Heavens and the Earth. Man is a CREATED being. All things on this Earth are CREATED.

38 posted on 09/05/2017 11:17:50 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: webheart

Clearly you’re not very smart at all.....


39 posted on 09/05/2017 11:24:37 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sopater
Carbon dating is used to determine the approximate age of organic material since it's death. It's not used to determine the age of foot prints in concrete.

Thank you for your simple explanation and for correcting the previous poster who simply copied and pasted his answer from a webpage.....

40 posted on 09/05/2017 11:25:58 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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