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Big Bang Blowup at Scientific American
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 5-30-2017 | Jake Hebert, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/30/2017 10:44:18 AM PDT by fishtank

Big Bang Blowup at Scientific American

by Jake Hebert, Ph.D. *

The February 2017 issue of Scientific American contains an article by three prominent theoretical physicists from Princeton and Harvard who strongly question the validity of cosmic inflation, an important part of the modern Big Bang theory.1 They argued that inflation can never be shown to be wrong—it cannot be falsified—and therefore inflation isn’t even a scientific hypothesis.

Inflation theory was proposed by physicist Alan Guth to solve a number of serious problems in early versions of the Big Bang model. Supposedly, the universe underwent an extremely short period of accelerated expansion right after the Big Bang.

However, physicists later realized this version of inflation theory was too simplistic.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; liberalmedia; origins; science
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To: Mr. K

That thought has actually occurred to me. There are lots of “modifications” to the Big Bang theory that may or may not be true. We don’t know everything.


41 posted on 05/30/2017 12:14:23 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: fishtank

Only ICR takes a lack of knowledge as proof of anything.


42 posted on 05/30/2017 12:14:35 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: fishtank

Settled science.

Bang Deniers must be burned at the stake.


43 posted on 05/30/2017 12:15:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: spirited irish
"If the Big Bang falls, evolutionary humanists will have to ‘scientize’ the only other position: the eternality of matter."

To do that you have to throw out the second law of thermodynamics.

44 posted on 05/30/2017 12:20:49 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

circlecity wrote: “They argued that inflation can never be shown to be wrong—it cannot be falsified—and therefore inflation isn’t even a scientific hypothesis.”

How does one falsify Global Climate change and what does that say about it’s being a scientific hypothesis?


45 posted on 05/30/2017 12:22:35 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: arrogantsob; Mr. Douglas

“Let there be Light.”

English astronomer Fred Hoyle noticed that too, and despised and rejected the Big Bang for that very reason. Couldn’t stand the argument for a creator.

Ironically he also coined the term The Big Bang.


46 posted on 05/30/2017 12:23:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: Rebelbase

I see nothing wrong with trying to figure out how our universe works. Religion and science can coexist, and they should. Dismissing either is a mistake and makes those of us who do believe in God look like complete morons.


47 posted on 05/30/2017 12:24:46 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Pelham

English astronomer Fred Hoyle noticed that too, and despised and rejected the Big Bang for that very reason. Couldn’t stand the argument for a creator.


That’s the part that is funny to me. You would think most “anti-Christian” scientists would reject the big bang for that very reason.


48 posted on 05/30/2017 12:31:29 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: AndyTheBear
>>And I know of nobody who maintains that somewhere on Earth there is the western gate to the Garden of Eden

The King of Tyre evidently must have know where it was... since Ezekiel LITERALLY says he was there....

Ezek 28:11-13

11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

"'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

NIV

...which is contradictory in the context of a literal Genesis:

Gen 3:23-24

23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

NIV

49 posted on 05/30/2017 12:32:15 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: raygunfan
tons of google links of doubts about the big bang and even cosmic microwave background...

That article isn't one of them, so try something else.

That article only questions whether what appears to be proof of inflation is really an artifact of something else. It does not question inflation in particular, and certainly does not question the Big Bang; it is an entirely empirical discussion.

50 posted on 05/30/2017 12:35:46 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It's fair to say that neither the BBT, nor Genesis can not be falsified;

You stand corrected.

The claim is not that the BBT cannot be falsified -- it can. The claim is that a specific mechanism attributed to solving some issues with the earliest moments after the BB may not constitute a falsifiable component of the theory.

That's a big difference.

51 posted on 05/30/2017 12:39:39 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: mowowie

Great concept. Asimov and Clarke came up with some good ones.


52 posted on 05/30/2017 12:39:50 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Now go back, learn a little science, and once you have then you might be able to produce a sensible comment.

OFC the theory was constructed to account for the available evidence. DUH. That is what a theory, by definition, does. There is nothing "self-referential" about that: the empirical evidence came from outside of the theory.

My God, the comments on this thread are absolutely the most laughable baloney I have ever read on FR, bar none.

53 posted on 05/30/2017 12:44:14 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: JimSEA

Only ICR takes a lack of knowledge as proof of anything.

...

The ICR does seem to specialize in “lack of knowledge,” but they like to make up for it with credentialism.


54 posted on 05/30/2017 12:47:58 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: circlecity

Yes, they would, but they won’t because the stakes are much too high for them since if the Big Bang is false then it logically follows that evolution is as well. They’ll be revealed as charlatans, deceivers, stupid pagans and worse. Rather, like rats in a trap seeking a way out, they’ll revise the second law of thermodynamics if they can get away with it.


55 posted on 05/30/2017 12:50:50 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: circlecity
No, you don't. You only have to assume that at every previous time the entropy of the universe was less than it was in succeeding instants.

That assumption, by the way, is already present in the Big Bang. I have had this conversation (fruitlessly) on a number of occasions on FR with Young Earth Creationists. It is a simple fact: if the Second Law is true, the minimum entropy point was at The Singularity. It is not even particularly remarkable.

56 posted on 05/30/2017 12:51:41 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: hopespringseternal
>>The difference is that religious people know they are accepting creation on faith

Assuming dominion over the faith of others by asserting that, unless we accept the fallible and uninspired opinion that the world is only 6000 years old, we can't possibly be part of THEIR body of Christ.... certainly is religious.

57 posted on 05/30/2017 12:54:06 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: spirited irish
Please draw a logical straight line between the Big Bang and speciation. I'll be happy to wait 14.7 billion years for you to do that.

In the meantime, there is no evolutionary biologist in the world who believes that the change in allele frequency in a population has the slightest bit of anything to do with the Big Bang.

58 posted on 05/30/2017 12:57:30 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: fishtank
They argued that inflation can never be shown to be wrong—it cannot be falsified—....

Thus too for the ICR by its very name.

59 posted on 05/30/2017 12:57:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: fishtank
If inflation can not be proven wrong, does that mean the universe would look the same whether there was inflation or not?
How can that be?
I thought inflation was proposed because of a difference between calculations and observations.

I stopped subscribing to SA when Global Warming became a given, never questioned. That's not science.

60 posted on 05/30/2017 1:00:49 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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