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Church bans yoga from premises because it’s ‘non-Christian’
Metro UK ^ | May 10th 2017 | Rob Waugh

Posted on 05/20/2017 9:29:05 AM PDT by LouieFisk

Villagers say they’ll boycott St David’s Church, in Blaenporth, Ceredigion, Wales, in protest.

Church bosses say pilates is OK, but not yoga, which ‘might be seen to be in conflict with Christian values and belief’.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banned; blaenporth; ceredigion; church; crazychurch; faithandphilosophy; loons; notthisshyagin; stdavidschurch; unitedkingdom; wales; yoga
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To: TigersEye

Your comments illustrate the importance of identity with regard to spiritual faith. In particular, the emphasis on knowing Christ as the one true God:

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3

The identity of Jesus Christ is central to Christian faith. We know we worship him through the fruits of our faith:

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” 1 John 2:3

Christ’s identity is defined in part by what he did:

“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death” Philippians 3:10


141 posted on 05/20/2017 3:22:25 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: discostu
Because you really can’t worship without knowing what in blazes your worshiping.

That infers that intent is involved in worship and in order to form the intent to worship one would have to have free will. Shirley you're not implying that we have free will!?

142 posted on 05/20/2017 3:23:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: discostu

You might want to check with the experts:

“Spiritual practices such as transcendental meditation, healing touch (involving “subtle energies”), acupuncture, or Reiki may at times be offered to Christian, Muslim, or Jewish patients as part of alternative or complementary medicine programs (and even as part of standard therapy in some cognitive-behavioral therapies). Practitioners may present these spiritual practices with an almost evangelical zeal to patients who are desperate for help after allopathic medical treatments have failed. Patients from conservative Christian or Muslim groups may know very little about such practices, which are rooted in Eastern or New Age religious traditions and may directly conflict with their religious beliefs.”
HP’s not knowledgeable about or insensitive to conservative Christian beliefs may impose these foreign spiritual practices on patients without fully explaining their origins and without providing traditional Christian alternatives more consistent with patients’ beliefs (such as prayer, visit with a chaplain, access to religious services or religious literature like the Bible). Devout Muslim patients may likewise be offended when spiritual practices rooted in Eastern or New Age religious traditions are offered to them. Although there is little research on how often this occurs, my sense is that such practices are not at all uncommon in alternative and complementary centers at many major hospitals and medical centers in the United States today.”

Koenig, Harold MD, Spirituality in Patient Care: Why, How, When, and What Templeton Press; Third Edition, Revised and Expanded edition: June 1, 2013, p.149.


143 posted on 05/20/2017 3:25:02 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: TigersEye

Free will?! Now we’re beyond the event horizon, the trips about to get weird.


144 posted on 05/20/2017 3:25:58 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Your comments illustrate the importance of identity with regard to spiritual faith. In particular, the emphasis on knowing Christ as the one true God:

And yet another poster infers that a conscious choice is required to form the intent to worship which implies that we have the free will to make choices.

145 posted on 05/20/2017 3:26:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: reasonisfaith

Notice the word “yoga” doesn’t appear in there. With good reason. For Americans in gyms it’s just exercise. Invented by a Russian woman. In America (and other places, she traveled a lot).


146 posted on 05/20/2017 3:28:14 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: LouieFisk

Good, I don’t understand why any church would think it is okay to host pagan rituals in a sanctified place.


147 posted on 05/20/2017 3:29:01 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: discostu

I warned you that posting on the internet might actually be another unconscious means of worshiping demons.


148 posted on 05/20/2017 3:29:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: TigersEye; discostu

Right, and making choices doesn’t mean making blind choices.

Thus informed consent.


149 posted on 05/20/2017 3:30:32 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: LouieFisk
The prboblem isn't this:



The problem is this:



150 posted on 05/20/2017 3:31:19 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: discostu

“The beginnings of Yoga were developed by the Indus-Sarasvati civilization in Northern India over 5,000 years ago. The word yoga was first mentioned in the oldest sacred texts, the Rig Veda. The Vedas were a collection of texts containing songs, mantras and rituals to be used by Brahmans, the Vedic priests.”

http://www.yogabasics.com/learn/history-of-yoga/


151 posted on 05/20/2017 3:34:02 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: LouieFisk
Church bans yoga from premises because it’s ‘non-Christian’

So is Bingo, and potluck, and ice cream, and pianos, and pipe organs, stained glass...statues (graven images) and pants....etc etc etc!

152 posted on 05/20/2017 3:34:18 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: Swirl

Ouija


153 posted on 05/20/2017 3:34:20 PM PDT by apostoli ("When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." - Sowel)
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To: reasonisfaith

A doctor may have put that statement in his book but you can bet the farm that the source of it was a lawyer. Or more precisely many corporate lawyers. Nothing is quite so lucrative as suing doctors, hospitals and other health care entities.


154 posted on 05/20/2017 3:34:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: Bratch

Your comment is possibly more accurate than you realize.


155 posted on 05/20/2017 3:36:16 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith
Right, and making choices doesn’t mean making blind choices. Thus informed consent.

That is in direct contradiction to the premise of this thread that engaging in yoga without knowing anything about its spiritual connections may mean that you're worshiping demons.

156 posted on 05/20/2017 3:36:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Make up my mind, NBC,CBS,CNN,ABC. What are the "facts" today?)
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To: reasonisfaith

you don’t need informed consent for exercise. It’s JUST exercise. You know how you can tell the difference Eastern religious yoga and American just exercise yoga? Women. Religious yoga is just for men, if the group is mostly women it ain’t religious.


157 posted on 05/20/2017 3:37:17 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: TigersEye

No, this is a researcher, chair of the Duke School of Medicine dept of psychiatry and religion.


158 posted on 05/20/2017 3:37:51 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: discostu

If it’s just exercise, then you won’t mind if the instructors inform the class about facts like in post #151.

If it’s not just exercise and you have some sort of agenda possibly unknown even to yourself, then you will put up a fuss about it.


159 posted on 05/20/2017 3:39:55 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

That’s RELIGIOUS yoga. Gym yoga, American yoga, is rather new:
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/06/01/411202468/those-yoga-poses-may-not-be-ancient-after-all-and-maybe-thats-ok

Her book traces the modern Western practice of yoga to a Russian woman named Indra Devi, who was born in 1899 with the birth name Eugenia Peterson.


160 posted on 05/20/2017 3:40:38 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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