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1 posted on 05/08/2017 9:07:13 AM PDT by xzins
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To: All; P-Marlowe

The supposed evidence that Trump “discriminates” is based on campaign rhetoric.

First, that ignores his refinement of his rhetoric as the campaign progressed and even moreso afterward.

As a political neophyte, it takes pure mind-reading to suggest that isn’t what he meant all along and what he believes.

Second, it is irrelevant compared to the power of the presidency to control security of the nation.

There is nothing about this order that is not security based and on the nature of the security status in each of the affected nations.


2 posted on 05/08/2017 9:09:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: xzins

This is like saying the president can’t restrict the entry of Nazis, and therefor can’t restrict the entry of people from Nazi countries. While they are blowing us up. Because we believe in diversity.

Trump should challenge the first executive travel ban, not the second, now that he has his man on the Supreme Court.


3 posted on 05/08/2017 9:11:32 AM PDT by marron
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To: xzins; All

Can we just hurry up and get this nonsense to the Supreme Court and smack these idiots down so we can get on with business.

I’m pretty sure that whatever Odunga had on Roberts can’t or won’t be used against him now, but I could be wrong.


7 posted on 05/08/2017 9:19:39 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: xzins

If the 4th rules in Trump’s favor, Trump will order the travel ban immediately reinstituted.

If the 9th rules against after that, the case will go to the Supremes.


15 posted on 05/08/2017 9:35:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: xzins

> a battle between presidential authority and the rights of foreigners to travel to the United States

There is no right for foreigners to travel to the United States.


16 posted on 05/08/2017 9:36:41 AM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: xzins

The first & fourteenth amendments, as well as all the rest, apply only to Americans. All others are not covered by the Constitution. Only upon entry into the United States are foreigners allowed certain protections, but only because we extend them to them out of kindness and generosity. Time to stop this nonsense that foreigners have any access to Constitutional rights. Especially when they are not even physically present.


17 posted on 05/08/2017 9:40:30 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: xzins

The judiciary has no business in this The law is clear...Even if it were a ban on Muslims, that is the presidens right to ban them. And if people don’t like it they get to vote against him in the next election.

Liberal judges are trying to ruin representative democracy


18 posted on 05/08/2017 9:41:03 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Modern day liberals are the most intolerant, hateful, and violent people in America)
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To: xzins

My reading of the Constitution makes it clear the only gov entity that can try a sitting president for anything (High crimes and misdemeanors) including actions of a President while in office is Congress. Courts are preempted


26 posted on 05/08/2017 9:54:30 AM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: xzins

Don’t these Travelers(LOL) need a Visa anyway so no Visa no travel


31 posted on 05/08/2017 10:42:34 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: xzins

It’s going to be broadcast on CSPAN at 1:30 CT.


32 posted on 05/08/2017 11:03:37 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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Upholding Trump’s EO should be a slam dunk. It is blatantly, simplisticly OBVIOUS that the language of the 1st and 14th Amendments has nothing to do with foreign refugees outside of the United States. They are not under the “jurisdiction” of any state. Not to mention the clear constitutional authority of the POTUS to make unilateral decisions in this area....

So of course the libtards will find all sorts of convoluted trains of b.s. to try to make up NEW amendments that they wish had existed in place of the ones that actually do exist.

btw, even if it could be accepted that the EO in some ways disadvantaged foreign Muslims (even though it is directed at countries and not religion), that in no way could be a violation of the 1st Amendment which says that CONGRESS (no reference to the President) shall not ESTABLISH a national religion here in the USA. Disfavor abroad toward one of MANY religions in the world in no way establishes one particular religion here in the USA.

The libtards are always just making stuff up, out of whole cloth. Too often the courts let them do it as judges are too often happy to join in the fun.


38 posted on 05/08/2017 11:48:15 AM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: xzins

Praying Trump finds favor with the judges..........In Jesus name Amen


39 posted on 05/08/2017 11:50:55 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: xzins

I live in constant fear that Trump will deport my illegal alien ex-wife who lives at 23 N 32nd Street, New York NY. Third floor apt 311. She arrive home around 5 PM.</s >


40 posted on 05/08/2017 12:04:38 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: xzins

Laughing. This is hilareous. An actual snowflake prosecuting the case. Laughing out loud. I cannot believe tbis. The judges are making a fool out of him.


45 posted on 05/08/2017 1:02:41 PM PDT by robert14
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I’m just curious here, but what actions CAN’T be reviewed by a court?

Do those black robed demigods have ANY limits on their power?


46 posted on 05/08/2017 1:11:50 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: xzins

I heard earlier in today’s news that one of the R-appointed judges recused himself because Mr. Hall, the Acting Solicitor General of the U.S., representing President Trump, et al., is his son in law (or otherwise related, just heard in passing) and a 2nd R-appointed judge recused himself as well, leaving only 3 R appointed judges among the 12 hearing the case.

The hearing just ended. Mr. Hall, did a fine job. The ACLU lawyer was repeatedly tongue-tied under questioning by Judges Niedemeyer and Shedd. Surprisingly, Judge Diaz, an Obama appointee, asked the ACLU lawyer some pointed questions, and some more favorable than expected questioning toward the Solicitor General.

Judge Keenan and Judge King were the most hard on the Trump side of the argument.


55 posted on 05/08/2017 1:41:52 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: xzins
It is NOT a "travel order".

It is an invasion protection order.

59 posted on 05/08/2017 2:20:35 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: xzins

“The case, International Refugee Assistance v Trump, is centered on a battle between presidential authority and the rights of foreigners to travel to the United States. “

Except that foreigner DO NOT have a “right” to enter the country.


68 posted on 05/08/2017 4:11:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: xzins
the rights of foreigners to travel to the United States

LOL they're making up their own law as they go along. Maybe this is what Trump was hoping for? It would take a little while, but hopefully set precedent, in effect telling judges they cannot meddle in foreign affairs.

75 posted on 05/08/2017 7:41:56 PM PDT by wastedyears (Prophecy of sky Gods, the sun and moon)
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To: xzins

The United States of America is not a Court Dictatorship in which the other branches of government merely get to make suggestions.


93 posted on 05/19/2017 11:29:31 AM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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