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The EMP Threat From North Korea Is Real, and Terrifying
pjmedia.com ^ | 4/25/2017 | John R. Moore

Posted on 04/26/2017 8:02:05 AM PDT by rktman

While the total wipeout depicted in One Second After is probably exaggerated, the effects could knock out our power grid for months, and destroy critical communications and computer systems. As former CIA chief James Woolsey recently said:

If you look at the electric grid and what it's susceptible to, we would be moving into a world with no food delivery, no water purification, no banking, no telecommunications, no medicine. All of these things depend on electricity in one way or another.

In such a situation, there simply is no way to rule out the possibility that hundreds of millions could die.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boggitboggity; electricgrid; emp; empthreat; nkthreat; northkorea; powergrid; preppers; shtf
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To: Responsibility2nd
Hasn’t this garbage been bunked and debunked too many times to count over the years?

I doubt little rat boy could pull it off. But you must remember that the SUN in the past has caused similar effects.

It will do so again and there is no excuse for us to not be prepared.

81 posted on 04/26/2017 9:41:37 AM PDT by usurper
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To: Zathras

“Yield on Starfish Prime was I think 1.4MT detonated at 400 miles.
The warhead itself was probably a two stage thermonuclear weighing around 10klbs.

Way beyond NK technology”


The EMP from Starfish Prime was not expected. So we have a 1.4 megaton nuke, the percentage of which yield was from fission I don’t know, and which WASN’T “tuned” to put more of its energy into gamma rays than explosive force and heat.

I wouldn’t be lulled into a false sense of security by those facts.

Also, WRT Nork technology, this article http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/could_north_korea_destroy_the_us.html indicates that they may well have the benefit of Soviet-developed designs for EMP-enhanced warheads.

Again, I’m not getting a big dose of the warm and fuzzies from these facts. Underestimating enemies from either arrogance or intellectual laziness is a foolish luxury, and if you have determined enemies and just enough bad luck, that can really ruin your day. Ask the Romans about the capabilities of the barbarians, or the French about how the “best army in the world, bar none” held off those naughty Germans in 1940.


82 posted on 04/26/2017 9:46:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr
"The EMP at a fixed distance from an explosion increases at most as the square root of the yield (see the illustration to the right). This means that although a 10 kiloton weapon has only 0.7% of the energy release of the 1.44-megaton Starfish Prime test, the EMP will be at least 8% as powerful. Since the E1 component of nuclear EMP depends on the prompt gamma ray output, which was only 0.1% of yield in Starfish Prime but can be 0.5% of yield in low yield pure nuclear fission weapons, a 10 kiloton bomb can easily be 5 x 8% = 40% as powerful as the 1.44 megaton Starfish Prime at producing EMP."

Well, looks like you were right: the EMP efficiency of pure fission weapons is much higher than the Starfish Prime device.

So if a 10 kiloton fission device is 40% as powerful as a 1.4 megaton thermonuclear device you would only need a 25 kiloton yield from the fission device match Starfish Prime.

That is much more achievable by Chia Pet Kim, so his nuclear program really needs to be stopped at all costs.

Kinda sucks to be South Korean at the moment.

83 posted on 04/26/2017 9:47:55 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: rktman

You’re mix-matching your electromagnetic radiation.

A Carrington event/solar flare/charged particles are indeed easily protected using a farday cage, electonric circuit breakers etc.

An EMP event is a nuclear bomb detonation which releases a gamma ray burst that has several follow on effects that effectively fry unshielded electronics. It requires several inches of steel or feet of earth to insulate against a weapons-grade gamma ray burst.

A typical protection strategy for an EMP strike is to bury additional essential electronic equipment several feet underground since putting 4” of steel around all electronics is sort of impractical.


84 posted on 04/26/2017 9:48:00 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Ancesthntr

Remember that map Kim made of the cities he was gonna nuke.. pressure points of the grid? Are the devices here already?


85 posted on 04/26/2017 9:50:51 AM PDT by txhurl (BOOM BOOM! - what is it - :)
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To: rktman
Will this get a New Paragraph?

Civil Defense. Even after the advent of nuclear weapons, the civil defense program did not begin in earnest in the United States until 1951, reaching an initial peak of federal interest in the early 1960s, and a second peak in the early 1980s. In both periods, a nuclear civil defense program, whenever it moved beyond mere rhetoric to be seriously supported by high federal officials, immediately elicited general hostility, set the scientific and political elite to arguing in public, and energized peace groups into successful action to discredit the program and return it to its usual marginal status in American life.

President Truman resisted significant funding for civil defense, preferring to save money for weapons, but the beginning of the Korean War and the Soviet Union's development of an atomic bomb led to the creation of the Federal Civil Defense Administration (FCDA) in 1951. Congress continually cut FCDA funding requests by at least half. The agency concentrated on producing propaganda, which it termed “educational material.” A flood of booklets, films, television shows, and media stories sought to convince the American public they could survive a nuclear attack with minor preparations. Meanwhile, many public schools initiated atomic air‐raid drills, teaching children to “Duck and Cover!” in case of nuclear war.

In the Eisenhower era, a series of nuclear bomb tests, in both the Pacific and the American West, dramatized the danger of blast and radioactive fallout. The creation of the H‐bomb convinced many Americans that civil defense was useless. The FCDA shifted from a shelter program to a policy of evacuation of the cities, which was met with public ridicule. From 1955 to 1962, national air‐raid drills called “Operation Alert” were held each year in dozens of major cities. These drills set off major protests nationwide, especially in New York City, where between 1955 and 1961 thousands of people participated in well‐organized civil disobedience efforts to discredit civil defense as a solution to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Several large cities refused to participate in Operation Alert drills, and millions of citizens simply ignored them. In 1958, President Eisenhower, who fully understood the horrific effect of nuclear exchange, ignored a call for a hugely expensive civil defense program issued by his FCDA director and supported by Cold War conservatives. He cut civil defense funds and shut down the FCDA. Despite lack of government financial support, a brief shelter craze occurred in the late fifties and early sixties, largely stimulated by the press and construction firms.

Presidential support for civil defense peaked in the Kennedy administration. Partly because of Kennedy's desire for a “macho” stand, but mostly because of his rivalry with Nelson Rockefeller—a strong supporter of civil defense and Kennedy's expected rival in the election of 1964—Kennedy transferred responsibility for civil defense to the Pentagon and called for an expanded shelter program. Congress appropriated the largest amount ever, $208 million in 1961, for marking and stocking existing shelter spaces such as basements and subways. Unnerved by the dissent and public excitement, Kennedy downplayed civil defense in 1962, especially after Governor Rockefeller's civil defense program was defeated in New York State. The growing peace movement argued effectively that civil defense offered no protection against nuclear missiles and fueled the arms race and the threat of nuclear war. Critics of civil defense also noted the chief function of civil defense propaganda—to legitimate both deterrence policy and the hugely expensive underground shelters reserved for the political, military, and economic elite.

After the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1963, civil defense all but disappeared, not to be resurrected until 1979 when President Carter, apparently motivated by a false report that the USSR was building a large civil defense program, combined all civil defense actions, including protection against natural disasters, into a new organization called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). In the 1980s, during the Reagan years, high federal officials again called for a large civil defense program that would sponsor a mass evacuation of people into rural areas if war seemed imminent. As in the early 1960s, the plan quickly faded in the wake of massive public resistance. [See also Nuclear Strategy; Peace and Antiwar Movements; Propaganda and Public Relations, Government.]

Bibliography

Robert Scheer , With Enough Shovels: Reagan, Bush and Nuclear War, 1982.

Thomas J. Kerr , Civil Defense in the U.S.: Bandaid for a Holocaust?, 1983.

Paul Boyer , By the Bomb's Early Light: American Thought and Culture at the Dawn of the Atomic Age, 1985. Elaine May , Homeward Bound: American Families in the Cold War Era, 1986.

Allan M. Winkler , Life Under a Cloud: American Anxiety About the Atom, 1993.

Dee Garrison , ‘Our Skirts Gave Them Courage’: The Civil Defense Protest Movement in New York City, 1955–1961, in Joanne Meyerowitz, ed., Not June Cleaver: Women and Gender in Postwar America, 1945–1960, 1994.

Guy Oakes , The Imaginary War: Civil Defense and American Cold War Culture, 1994.

86 posted on 04/26/2017 10:01:27 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Do you know what rides in those two Nork satellites which fly over the USofA? Until you do, why not try to hide your foolishness.
87 posted on 04/26/2017 10:09:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Bigg Red
Common bleach would work just fine.

(( Proportions, please.


Here is a good link. You can search around the site for other information on water treatment. Bleach has a very limited shelf life (year). When you store pool shock it is advisable to store them in canning jars with plastic lids (Walmart) with a wax seal. The outgassing is very corrosive.

Letter Re: Disinfecting Your Drinking Water

This is a good start.
88 posted on 04/26/2017 10:12:56 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media and Shariah Socialism.)
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To: CatQuilt; Tilted Irish Kilt
Say good night if you have any long-term chronic disease like diabetes.

Been studying this for a while for a non-prepper neighbor. I refer you to this:

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/diabetic-survival-tips/

89 posted on 04/26/2017 10:21:07 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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To: RFEngineer

What about reheat? ;-3


90 posted on 04/26/2017 10:29:49 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: HippyLoggerBiker

Thank you.


91 posted on 04/26/2017 10:36:27 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks.


92 posted on 04/26/2017 10:36:48 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: T-Bird45

I’ve been collecting the Fox-Fire books for reference. Need about 4 more.


93 posted on 04/26/2017 10:38:39 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Deportation mayhem is just birthing pains for a new America.)
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To: rktman

There is a book called The Knowledge, by Lewis Dartnell, that I highly recommend. It explains enough about the physics, chemistry, and mechanics of how things work that, with a little trial-and-error, it would be possible to go from stone-age to mid-1940’s level technology within a single generation. Even if stuff never hits the fan to that degree, the information is useful when designing or repairing anything.

And it’s just a fun read. Although I’m the kind of person who reads how-to books for fun, so opinions may vary.

I don’t know enough to gauge how big a threat North Korea is, but I do know enough to say that the grid can be taken down fairly easily, in many different ways. I’d rather be ready than not.


94 posted on 04/26/2017 10:41:21 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: proust

The 1962 Soviet Nuclear EMP Tests over Kazakhstan.

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html


95 posted on 04/26/2017 10:45:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out... - - Horowitz)
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To: Ancesthntr
"Why? Because other people also have a Plan B - and for many that plan is to follow the smell of smoke to a source of supply for various and sundry needed goods."

That's what all the guns and ammo are for. Also, I can also build a smokeless fire to boil water indoors, no problem.

96 posted on 04/26/2017 10:46:00 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: miliantnutcase
"...Every redneck has a spare microwave sitting somewhere just use that as a Faraday cage.Every redneck has a spare microwave sitting somewhere just use that as a Faraday cage...."

...IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

Which is one of my few complaints about country trash, who I otherwise am fond of.

97 posted on 04/26/2017 10:46:32 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: circlecity

No, common bleach would not work just fine. Many limitations to that product.


98 posted on 04/26/2017 10:47:47 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: Nifster
"...the only current manner to produce an EMP is to explode a nuclear bomb...

Actually, we now possess a EMP weapon that is mounted on a cruise missile. I think Lockheed makes it.

Supposedly it can target specific buildings.

99 posted on 04/26/2017 10:50:12 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: Blueflag

Kimmy has neither the missiles nor the warhead ... fake news/click bait.


100 posted on 04/26/2017 10:56:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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