Posted on 04/17/2017 5:39:24 PM PDT by ifinnegan
Military action against North Korea is not an easy question to answer. If the blow is light, Pyongyang's military power would remain intact, and South Koreans could potentially face a revenge attack of some kind. One can only hope that Washington reaches out to Seoul for a second opinion. If the blow is heavy, the Chinese people will not allow their government to remain passive when the armies of the US and South Korea start a war and try to take down the Pyongyang regime. The Chinese will not let something like that happen, especially on the same land where the Chinese Volunteer Army once fought in the early 1950s. It is a land covered with the blood of Chinese soldiers who bravely fought in the early 1950s. Furthermore, if Pyongyang were to be taken by the allied armies of the US and South Korea, it would dramatically change the geopolitical situation in the Korean Peninsula.
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My step-father still has bullet shrapnel and scars from machine gun in Korea.
“As Trump told China, you fix it or we will.”
This is their public response.
What they say in private is a good question
Oops..it looks like 400 million is the profit for Kushner but right now the deal appears off
Good question.
You know, in reality China has made progress toward improving the lives of it’s people. While I don’t like Communism, I can’t dictate to other nations what form of government they will have.
If China would quit trying to lord it over Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, and Vietnam, I’d consider it a decent nation. If it would quit emphasizing a militaristic threatening future, it could be seen as a decent world power.
Unfortunately, it has commandeered the Spratley Islands, is clearly intent on challenging the United States, and considers it’s neighbors as it’s manifest destiny.
This puts us in the position of having to keep it on a very short leash.
What a failed opportunity for a very peaceful 21st Century.
We will have to deal with China too.
The idiots... (their leadership)
If Russia wouldn’t act out, and if China wouldn’t, this world would be in pretty good shape.
We could oppose our natural enemies and most people in the world would live in peace without fear of super-power confrontations.
China & Russia, are playing the part of petulant children.
Iran, North Korea, Syria... they need to knock it off.
If they would, there wouldn’t be wars and rumors of wars.
Which China “won’t allow” US? This is an opinion written by a faction within China, to whom it apparently has not occurred that the “real” mercenary China, the expansionist world leader China may have decided NKorea is a liability to their security, both from uncontrolled nuclear missiles which could threaten their lands, and from the “modern world” no longer being tolerant of an insane family dictatorship with starving millions just across their border.
Looks like the $4 billion dollar deal is off
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/nyregion/talks-end-between-kushners-and-chinese-company.html?em_pos=small&emc=edit_dk_20170329&nl=dealbook&nl_art=8&nlid=70726928&ref=headline&te=1&_r=1
What year/years were you there? I’d sure be interested in hearing your take on it because I’m sure there is much that has been revised.
Seems to me if NK uses any serious weoponry on SK, we have to wipe the floor with NK. I still think China can have what’s left. Not an optimum result but our goal is to eliminate the NK threat, not to liberate NK.
It’s important but the ‘key’ is that China is willing to suspend fuel exports to stop NK’s nuke and ballistics programs. That puts resolving the issue off for almost a year, but that’s not an unreasonable time frame.
China’s “bottom line” is that NK end the nuclear program. S Korea and Japan are quite capable of responding quickly by developing their own nukes. Which is just what China deserves in my opinion anyway. But, of course, China doesn’t want that.
The US could simply default on any debt to China— which would also hurt them a lot, and frankly would help our crazy debt get under control. Like just stop paying the credit card— cause we can— and see how much more money we will have in our treasury, in exchange for cutting loose suicidal regimes. There would be loss of our plant space and technology- because dismantling and moving out would be difficult if not impossible. Thinking Boeing.
It’s very interesting how China is “behaving” like the moderator/messenger between the US and Korea, when in fact the entire article is China stating what it will or not agree to between China and the US.
Its almost comical how China twists itself to fit the narrative they want to project as if people can’t see through their facade. They control Kim and his nuclear capability... and they know we know that...but just like Kim, want to save face to appear tough and cooperative when they are almost as deceptive as Kim...
Well any real POTUS can’t allow the Norks to continue to develop and refine their nuclear capabilities-they have threatened to nuke us many times. Thus the nukes have to be stopped-no compromises. Now Fatboy needs to decide if he wants to live without nukes or die because he wouldn’t give them up. China needs to recognize this reality and take care of Fatboy themselves. What happens afterwards? Reunification on an extended timetable with the cooperating remnants of sensible Nork military leaders. The biggest problem will be the artillery shelling SK with possibly chemical weapons. Hopefully there are a lot of moabs in the theatre to use on massed troop, armor, and artillery concentrations.
....”Am I alone in wondering if we are being played here?”.....
Rather than ask that...better to say your wise enough
to see through their deception. But that is how China and Kim play their hands.
Can’t think of a better way for Trump to get China’s respect than to suddenly annihilate Kim’s regime with a massive nuclear attack, completely ignoring China’s threats. Then they’ll know that the old ways are obsolete; here is a man who means it when he says he puts America first. No more setting up little rabid regimes to threaten America in your place because you don’t have the guts to do it yourself..
...”Oddly unmentioned: South Korea wants unification”.....
Actually most of them don’t want unification now. That was true for a time but the majority O S.Koreans do not want it now because they recognize if the borders were opened almost ‘all’ the N.Koreans would flood over to S.Korea.....they are “informed” of what S.Korea is like now...and would not remain in the North.
S.Koreans could not handle that ‘flood’ of people....the younger generations...who covet the substance and life styles they see their neighbors have that they don’t. Once free they would most assuredly ‘flood’ into the south...and with that overwhelm their economy, their infastructure and unfortunately because they are backward they would require at least 5 yr.s of assistance and education to even come up to the basics.
I think that is mostly an empty threat, as a dirty bomb would necessitate a response that NK would want to avoid at all costs, and might well cause a serious refugee flood to China.
I think that a lot of this is to get the South to ask us to back down and let N Korea be.
I gree with this completely.
“The Chinese people” is a nom de plume for Beijing.
Similar to how Democrats talk bout their agenda being “what the American people want.”
So...”the Chinese people” will watch what happened, and if the U.S. does something notable, “the Chinese people” will amend the narrative as necessary to save face.
HiTech RedNeck you are correct.
China is probably more capitalist than the USA. They have a large and growing middle class. In light of their middle class, China does not want an economic war with the USA. In a similar manner, the Chinese middle class does not want a military war with the USA. The 1989 Tienanmen Square protests was the rise of the middle class. The protest took the lives of thousands of China’s middle class. The protest made the case for economic power that the middle class was willing to die for. IOW, the Old Guard has the political power, the middle class has the economic power and proved they are willing to die for it. I’m confident that if the Old Guard goes to war militarily, the Old Guard will be fighting a two front war. One on the Korean peninsula and a rear-guard action against their middle class. Also confident the Old Guard realizes this could tear the country apart with the real possibility/probability of taking down the Old Guard.
It's been decades now from when reconciliation would have worked...but now even their accents and language have marked differences..and their would be culture conflicts...as has already surfaced with defectors. N.Koreans want to be "rescued"....when in fact better if new governance and they make that happen...
I can certainly understand the Chinese not wanting the US to invade NK. However the Chinese have allowed this to fester. They must want a rogue NK for some reason ... perhaps to do their dirty work.
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