THIS IS WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE (directly from the Koran)

Twitter ^ | 4-2017 (orig 609-632)

[doug from upland]

https://twitter.com/thenormalbloke/status/851801248080814080

[FreedomOfExpression]

So you think the things seen in his vision were literal? It was a prophetic vision. It represented among other things what would happen by the hands of Babylon if nation of Israel didn't repent. God would not act in their behalf to spare them from destruction.

Let's get to the heart of the matter. You know that Jesus' teachings are good, or at least totally unlike those of the Koran, and yet you look for things to use to equivocate Christianity and Islam. So you find passages of violence in the Old Testament and without understanding the context, use these to justify your views.
You do know that Christians are not under the Law, right? Even if the Law of Moses did call for continual violence upon others, which it does not, that Christians are to follow Christ's instructions as written in the New Testament?

[Unshackled]

Goalpost moving, just as predicted. I give you the verses you demand, and now you want to limit me to the N.T. because that whole first book doesn’t count. Except for the parts you like, of course, like only certain verses in Leviticus and such.

Only Christians are allowed to generalize others’ religions by finding verses in their holy books that show how awful they are. Any non-Christians doing the same thing to the Bible are wrong, because reasons, apparently.

Do you know what it is called when you do the exact same thing you tell other not to do?

[FreedomOfExpression]

My original request was to give me the teachings of Christ that are equivalent to the Koranic teachings. YOU moved the goalposts by not giving me any of Christ's teachings that are equal to the verses at the beginning of this thread.
You want to refer only to the Old Testament because you can't prove your point by using scriptures in the New Testament. And yet the verses you tried to use in Ezekiel as a proof of your viewpoint are to events that were seen in a vision and aren't even literal. If you can't be honest and admit that Christ's teachings are virtuous, then we are at an impasse.
Let me narrow it down further for you. Can you admit that Christ's teachings AS LAID OUT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT are not on par with those at the beginning of this thread? Can you even go that far?

[Unshackled]

What is this illogical garbage? You want me extoll the virtues of your deity before you’ll even listen? Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?

Jesus said he was here to fulfill the law. The law laid down by his dad. The law laid down in the O.T. This is the excuse used every time it’s pointed out that Jesus himself said nothing about abortion or homosexuality. Now, you want to conveniently ignore that to have it both ways.

So, which is it? Does Jesus support the O.T. or not? If he does, then I’ve made my point. If he doesn’t, then why do I keep hearing that Jesus condemns people that he never mentions?

[FreedomOfExpression]

Admitting that Jesus never said things like the Koran's later violent verses = extolling his virtues?
It's not my fault that you cannot even admit a simple truth.
You also can't admit you made a mistake in using Ezekiel's vision to say that the Old Testament tells people to murder.

There is one thing I would like you to try to make at least a feeble attempt to understand. It is that even verses in the Old Testament that mention going to war are meant for specific situations against specific people or nations for a specific time.
The Koran's instructions to tax, rape, and murder infidels is an open ended command.

It's clear you don't WANT to know how the Old Testament is understood, you want to attack and do nothing but attack. You have given every indication that your mind is closed on this subject.
Therefore, after my next paragraph I will follow Jesus' advice at Matthew 7:6 from here on out.

If you need to consider it a win to continue feeling superior, have at it, but know this: A person who is unreasonably belligerent may have the last word, but only because no one in their right mind wants to continue being treated in that manner.

[Unshackled]

What hogwash. I give you five verses, you interpret ONE of them in a way that ignores what was said by the deity in question, and you claim some sort of triumph. You never answered any question of mine even after I answered yours. At least be honest in your attempt.

[Unshackled]

And yes, I know how the O.T. is “understood” - conveniently. Things are literal when it is convenient. They are figurative when it is convenient. They were only meant for that period of time when it is convenient. They are only supposed to apply today when it is convenient. This is one of the reasons that there are dozens of Christian sects, all claiming to be the right one, of course. There are many different Islamic sects, too. While one sect might take some Koranic verses literally, others do not. You do know it works like that in all religions, right?